New here..I have a couple of questions..

[momtoshortie]

I just noticed the "housebreaking Board" Posted this on the welcome too, thought it would get better results here..
I have a mini long haired black/tan daschund named "Shortie"...He is 18 months old...I am having a hard time with the housebreaking..He was 4 months old when I got him form the breeder..I tried crating him, but he went in there also..it wasn't a big crate either, one step up from a cat carrier...
My question is this, is getting him neutered at 18 months too late to stop the "marking"...
He also has "submissive urination" problems...not when he is scolded..but anytime you pay any kind of attention to him, he rolls over and urinates..
Someone suggested a "belly band" a maxipad and ace bandage..I may give this try..What do you all think?

[Krista]

Welcome to the board!

Well I don't know about the later neutering helping with the marking, but I do know that neutering is better for his health since it eliminates the risk of testicular or prostate problems- not to mention the population control benefit. It might help.

As to the belly band idea -that will only mask the problem, not make solve it. All the books I have read suggest basically ignoring the dog until he goes outside and fully empties his bladder. Praise him as usual after the desired outside potty action. If he doesn't roll over and leak, Praise even more. Each time you play with him without him leaking urine inside offer praise again. The trick is to avoid excitement when you come home and know he has a full bladder.

Since you seem to be having trouble with housetraining in general I would try letting him out more often. Go out with him and wait for him to go. Praise and treat if he does. If you can't be in the same room with him, crate him or bolckade him in a tiled room. When you come to let him out do not make a fuss over him, just calmly go outside with him and give him your potty command. Praise and treat when he goes.

He generally will need to go after meals or big drinks, after a nap, after excersize, after being crated, or if none of those apply still take him out every two hours or so when you're home.

Good luck!! I'm sure others will have helpful hints too!

[Owen's Mom]

Hi http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

I acutally gave her that suggestion. She's at her wits end and it's somewhere to start, short of a drop kick (I'm kidding)

I'm thinking that the proper us of a belly band type of contraption would allow her to take him outside and time his potty times, rather than the pupster just whizzing on everything. Once he goes outside and does his thing, then she will praise him and give him the yummiest of treats. He still hasn't made the connection that outside is the only place to potty.

Submissive peeing is a different story. I've heard about ignoring the pup, not getting him excited inside the house, causally take him outside and get him to go potty, then give him lots of great attention. As for neutering... I think you posted on the other board that the vet felt it was a risk to neuter him because he is very sensitive to anestesia (sp?).... Ask them again, and see if they can re-evaluate him. Neutering really is a great thing in terms of health benefits. But, if it puts him at risk for dying on the table, then I'd say just don't let him around intact females.

One more thing... Be sure you clean up all his pee spots with an ensymatic solution. If he smells himself on the floor or furniture from a previous marking, he'll want to mark that area again. Here's a link to a J & B pet Wholesale. http://www.jbpet.com/new_frames.html Go to "Sanitation & Housebreaking" They sell them there, you can also get them at petsmart or petco

Good luck!! Stick around and keep asking questions http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

~Amy~

[momtoshortie]

Thanks everyone...
Owens Mom..the post you are referring to on the other board was not mine..that person posted right above mine, so I got the beely band from you reply to her..I still think I may try it..
I am not at my wits end with him...I actually do ignore the "submissvie urination"..I don't even speak to him when I first come in..I put him right out..LOL
That is a minor annoyance..the biggest problem is his "marking"..so I think neutering is the best way to go to try to stop that..just hope it isn't to late at 18 months...

[Mickamack]

I don't think it's too late. Mickey got fixed at 18 mths. I believe the sooner the better, but in my opinion 18 mths is just fine, and might very well help your little problem.

[Wienergal]

Shortie's Mom, no, it's not too late. Farfel was two when I got him, and since he was a retired show dog, he still had all his equipment intact when I got him. He came into the apartment, sniffed everywhere, and lifted his leg on the side of my sofa! That behavior stopped immediately after his neutering.

Did you see my response to your questions when you posted under the WELCOME topic? Please do, if you haven't already!

Glad to see you've decided to become one of us! WELCOME!!! http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/biggrin.gif

[momtoshortie]

Weinergal,
Yes I saw your other post and thanks! Everyone here seems really nice and very helpful..I have learned soooooooo much from reading this board..my butt hurts from sitting in this chair reading, reading reading! LOL
I new nothing about daschunds wne I purchased shortie...I just love him to death, he has a great personality and is very loyal...
I am going to look into neutering him, and I think I am going to start using the crate again..
I never scold him (actually I very rarely scold him at all..he is just to cute to scold LOL) when he does his submissive urination thing..I ignore it...
Thanks again!!

[Roxane]

Hi Momtoshorty:
Let me ditto, ditto, ditto all the good advice you have received so far.
When we adopted Baylea, just last week, we were told she was not "completely" housebroken.
That put me on high ALERT (not yelling just emphasing). For 6 days all of my attention was on her every move. Pretending she was a puppy, she was scooped up almost every hour and quietly taken outside. If she went, much praise, if she didn't that was okay too. Frequency, frequency, frequency, was the motto.
Now she is on Greta's schedule and not mistake one. Not housebroken?
Balderdash and ha! http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/disgust.gif

Had a puppy once (not dachsie) who was low man in his litter. Very submissive. Tone of voice would set him off. Even praise, if too loud would have the undesirable effect.
I used much less voice and much more petting and treats. In addition I made an effort to get down on floor level with him rather than standing over him, calling to him and let him come to me, rather than the other way around. As he matured and was neutered, the urination happened much less often.
It just took a whole heck of a lot of patience.
Much luck,
Roxane

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[LisaH]

I agree with Roxane on the "intensive training" approach. When we first got Annie as a tiny pup I devoted myself to watching her every move and getting her outside when I thought she might need to pee. Whisk them outside and praise them to the skies when they pee in the right place...and give them their favorite treat.

All this said, one of the major reasons I wanted a female instead of a male is MARKING...

[Penny's Aunt]

Although a lot of people say that neutering doesn't help leg-lifting in the house, I know of two people who had male dogs neutered at older ages (rescue dogs, 5 & 8 yrs) that were marking, & they DID eventually stop doing it, but they both said it took about 2 months. Probably a hormone thing? But with rescue dogs, you are just never sure of their whole past.

[Nisehart]

Hi all,

Penny's Aunt is right, you never know a rescue's past! My sweet, and first rescue boy Sam is coming along fine with his housebreaking. When I first brought him home, he lifted his leg to everything!! Now I take him out at least every hour. I began as though he was a puppy again. For all I know about him, he may have never even been a house dog.

He was also neutered a week before I got him (2 weeks ago). So I'm hoping that will help. He just began his heartworm treatment, so I now walk him in the back yard on a leash so he doesn't exert himself. I hope that will help and not hinder the housebreaking process!
Have a good day everyone! Denise

[2DogsLong]

My dominant boy, Oscar used to mark all the time. I took it as an alpha thing and took him by the scruff, gave him a gentle shake and a NO! when I caught him marking. I later added a roll onto his back into the equation. He marks 90% less now. And only marks MY stuff when I leave laundry or my knapsack on the floor. Neutering helped but did not totally solve the situation.

He's totally submissive to me when I'm with him ... maybe he marks my stuff because I'm the only female in the house or because I am the alpha.

Good luck and if you find a solution, let me know!

[Roobyrocks]

Ok, I wasn't going to ask you all for advice on Rooby's http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/uh-oh.gif 'problem', but since you're on the subject I think I'll go ahead. It's rather embarrassing to her, but it needs to be talked about.

I know you all think Rooby is perfect and all, and well, she pretty much is... but she's a Submissive Urinator!! There, I said it!

Whenever anyone comes to our house, it's always the same - don't talk to Rooby, let's all go outside and let her 'get it out of her system'. She squats and tinkles all over the patio. But, she never really gets it out of her system. We had friends visiting awhile back and they couldn't even talk to Rooby without her tinkling. It was SO frustrating... just when we thought she was used to everyone and we let our guard down, she'd do it again. We have one male friend who comes over and if I don't hold her back, Rooby will jump in his lap and start tinkling!!! Even though I hate to admit it, I think that's submissive thing because he's a male.

We've tried not talking to her so she doesn't get excited when company comes over... we've tried using a calm tone of voice so she doesn't get excited... neither work.

So, oh wise ones.... what should we do?


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[Krista]

BTW don't be convinced that girls don't mark, many alpha girls have been know to do just that. http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

[Owen's Mom]

Buy a little hand held carpet cleaner http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/wink.gif

That's what a friend of mine had to do. She has two littermate boys (pictured here with Owen) and Stevie (Ray of Sunshine) is a submissive wetter. Clapton is fine. They've resolved themselves to the fact that it's just best to be armed and ready and not make a big deal about it.

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The Party Boyz http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/biggrin.gif

~~Amy~~

[Penny's Aunt]

Diapers?