What color is my new girl?

[vpmsavga]

I've read through lots of the color posts, and like lots of posters find dachshund genetics very interesting. Here are pictures of my puppy, Callie, made at about 8 weeks old. Her dad is registered as a chocolate/tan smooth, but he doesn't look like any choc/tan that I've ever seen. His coloring is more like Callie's. The mom is a red smooth.

Any ideas what color we have here? :confused: :confused: I don't really care, as she will only be a family pet, but it would be nice to know when people ask.

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Thanks!

[Me&DappledDuo]

She's definitely not a chocolate- their genes won't allow them to produce black- her nose and nails would be liver colored- brown. She's a red girl- with a black overlay, she'll either grow out of most of the black shading (she'd just be registered as a red), or she'll retain the black shading (which might make her a wildboar- it's unlikely, though).

Look at Jenfer's Gigi pictures in the Brag Book- she looked very similar to your cutie as a baby- and is still one of the cutest girls ever! Though it looks like she's got some up-and-coming competition!!! :D

[alfina]

I second Chrissie. I think she is a red girl. Sorry, a pretty cute red girl!

[blueyezz74]

Definitely looks like Gigi. Harley has a darker brown stripe that runs down his back and is considered a red but doesn't have that coloring.

[Patt]

I have no idea on the color but she's a little cutie and a definite look-a-like for Gigi.:flower:

[PennyLover]

Oh my, what a cutie pie!! Her coloring does look a lot like Gigi's.

[TessieMom]

I agree with Chrissie. I suspect that her color will change greatly by the time she is a year old. I had a girl who looked just like her and turned out to be a gorgeous solid red when she became an adult.

[vpmsavga]

I just did a search for some puppy pictures of GiGi. I had seen the recent pictures of her, and thought that my Callie's coloring was the same.

My daughter walked by when I was looking at GiGi's puppy pictures, and wanted to know WHERE was Callie when those pictures were taken! I think we've got twin girls from different mothers!

Anyway, GiGi is beautiful, so it will be just fine with me if Callie grows up to look JUST like her. I only wanted something other than black/tan, since I already have Gretchen.

Thanks for all your help!

[Heidismom]

all had/have the red with the black overlay. None of them had anything but red on the face, with the black whiskers and a few black eyebrow hairs, though. The black on the body disappeared on Heidi and Gretl, except down the backbone, and their tails were nearly all black. Siglen still has the black tail and some black hairs scattered among her full coat. Julia B.

[My3Dachsies]

Callie is definitely Gigi's "mini-me"! :lol:

Our neighbor's mini dachsie, Schotzi, is red with a black "ticking" on her - she says she's a red sable. Is this just red with the black overlay?

Callie looks so much tinier in these pics than the ones where she's stretched out in the doggie bed and on the couch! She's absolutely adorable! Just wanna hug her and kiss her! :D

Hugs,

[Kim H.]

I am quoting the description from this source for info on colors and patterns:

http://www.12many.com/duchwood/colorpat.html

"True sable is probably the rarest pattern of all and perhaps the most difficult pattern to describe. Many people mistakenly call a red dog with a heavy black overlay a sable. This is incorrect; the dog should be registered as red with no pattern. A true red sable is so dark it almost looks like a black and tan from a distance. All body hairs, except on the face and feet, are banded with two colors, the self color occurs closest to the dog's body while the darker color occurs near the hair tip. The face and feet are usually just the dog's self color. Therefore, a red sable will have body hairs which are red near the base and black near the tips, and a red face and red feet. One parent must be a sable to produce a sable pup. As mentioned earlier, wild boar may be the expression of the sable pattern in a wirehaired dachshund."

My Angel was labeled as "wild boar," but she is longhaired, and is just red with lots of black and gold. Very pretty and the color is nothing at all like our first "red" dachshund (he had brown eyes and nose and some chocolate markings). "Plain red" sure comes in a lot of diverse mixes.:)

[doxunzX3]

Oh Callie is so cute!
Now I know my puppy (5months old) is growing up. His ears fit him now. :( Oh no he won't be puppy long at all anymore.

Sorry I am not good with the colors. I just think she is a cutie and how could she not be she's a doxie after all.
It will be interesting to see what she looks like as an adult.
Here are a few kisses for her!
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[Cindi]

Callie's tan points are pretty definite :confused: Were you given an extended color pedigree? That would help although since this breeder obviously didn't have a genetics clue/color clue it might not be correct.
However, there is a chance she is red (by the way chocolate/tan should not be bred to red if one wants to keep the black pigment on red dogs) and the points will disappear by the black shading faaaaaddding away and there is a chance she is a wild boar. Time will tell. 8 week old coloration changes soooooooooo much on all 3 varieties as the people on this board will be able to tell you <G>

Cindi

[vpmsavga]

No, I dont' have a color pedigree. That really wasn't the most important thing to us. We wanted a healthy, well-socialized, full-of-personality puppy, which is exactly what we got.

I'll be having her spayed at the appropriate time, no plans to breed her at all. I work full time and the last thing I need is a house full of puppies!

We thought her color was pretty, and different from what we usually see in our area. I've wondered about wild boar, too.

While the dad's papers say chocolate/tan, he didn't LOOK chocolate/tan at all. He looked more like Callie.

Unfortunately, we don't have many genetics-educated breeders in our area. Before I started reading here, I never would have know that you should only breed chocolate to chocolate!

Anyhow, she's gorgeous to us, and in the end, I guess that's all that matters. I'd just like to sound remotely intelligent when people ask me WHAT color she is. :D Don't have that problem with my black/tan girl!

Thanks for all your help. I'll post more pictures as she gets older - maybe ya'll can help me pinpoint this color thing as time passes!

[Cindi]

"No, I dont' have a color pedigree. That really wasn't the most important thing to us."
Your breeder should have automatically supplied you with one when you bought your puppy - maybe not a color pedigree (I just do that because I'm so interested in color genetics) but she should have given you at least a 3 generation pedigree when she gave you your other paperwork.

"I'll be having her spayed at the appropriate time, no plans to breed her at all." Honest, the color breeding comment was NOT aimed at you but at your breeder. I'll bet you, if you are saying that the father looked like your girl, he was also wild boar which is why you have the color you have <G> and why you have the nice dark pigment on the nose.

Chocolate and tan can and should also be bred with black and tan. Actually, if the c/t is very light it probably should be bred to black and tan because continually breeding to c/t will most likely just lighten the colors.

Wild boar smooths usually (this is just an FYI) have wirehairs in their background somewhere because that is where the color originated.

Cindi

[vpmsavga]

I never knew to ask about past pedigree until I started reading here, and I already had Callie. I've seen her mother (the mom is actually a litter-mate to my 3-year old black/tan), the grandmother and the great-grandmother. They were all red. I've never see any of the sires other than her dad.

We just got back from our second vet visit. (Ouch! She DID NOT like having her nails clipped or ears checked and that SHOT - how INHUMANE could we possibly be!!!:angry: ) The nice part about it is that she gets to spend the day with me. With the shot making her sleepy, she is all curled up in her bed in the corner of my office. Sure makes me smile. :D Wish I could have both of them here with me every day.

Anyhow, my vet practice consists of 3 doctors. I've seen a different one on each of my 2 visits. When I asked them their opinion about her coat color, they both speculated that she could be wild boar. Maybe so. Time will surely tell.

It doesn't matter to me one bit. She could be green and pink and she'd still have me wrapped around her little paw!

[Cindi]

Wait a while and I bet we get that color nailed down <G>

Just as an FYI and this is in response to your saying you didn't know to ask.....when you buy an AKC registered puppy your paperwork should automatically consist of (in my opinion only, of course, but this is what we recommend as a club, too):

A sales receipt and/or contract stating your dog's AKC registration number, his/her parents' full names (or pedigree which would have that information), birthdate, shot history (2 is my preference) and recommendations (unless this information is on the information sheet) and your guarantee against genetic problems and the return policy and demand (ie if at any time in the future you can no longer care for this dog the breeder must be informed and given the opportunity to rehome the dog).

A minimum 3 generation pedigree

Information sheet on how to feed, what has been fed, what to feed in the future and how much and how to determine, housetraining/crate training info if necessary or where to find it if it hasn't already been discussed, obedience/socialization trainingsuggestions which on dachshunds needs to start EARLY, possible things to do with dachshunds in AKC and most important contact information for breeder should be on all paperwork <G> for help later on.

AKC papers unless they are being held until spay/neuter - which wikll be spelled out in the contract.

I'd be interested to know if your vets KNEW what wild boar coloring was? I've been to 3 who didn't have a clue - my current one has show dogs so it wasn't a completely novel color to her although our terminology for it was.

Cindi

[vpmsavga]

Cindi:

I'm probably prejudiced because I just LOVE my vets, but they brought it up first about the sable/wildboar color. I did have to point out that it's called sable in long-hairs and wildboar in smooth/wires. I know it must be impossible for vets to know about different coats/colors for every breed, but I think they have an affinity for dachsies, even though they both own BIG (Labs) dogs. Dr. Kyle today just kept gushing over how beautiful she is. I think he's really happy, too, that we were willing to get another one, what with Gretchen's (my 3-year old b/t) back surgery at such a young age.

In the future (if I ever get another puppy), I'll be sure to ask all of the questions I have learned about here. I guess we're just not that sophsticated yet. :greensq:

[Cindi]

Glad you set them straight on the sable bit....maybe they can pass on that info to people incorrectly calling their red smooths sables now <G>

I am impressed they even know about the color words. No, veterinarians normally don't know colors and amazingly some don't even know a lot of breeds.

Cindi

PS I'm shocked that you had to have back surgery on such a young dog!!! Saddened, too.