More curiosity... Last one, really!

[MnM]

Could this baby be DD? Any ideas?

http://www.dogster.com/pix/08/49308/2.jpg

I am sure I can get more photos of her if necessary. Parents LH cream & smooth red - no other colors or patterns showing on them. I looked for black on the red and there wasn't any.

:confused: Clueless in CO,

MnM

[blazeman]

Looks like a piebald pupper to me.

Mom and dad must have been piebald carriers... either that.. .or they were both dapples and they were regisrered wrong but I have never heard of a dapple cream...

[MnM]

I think you are right. I just got more photos via e-mail and one of the babies is a pie. They are all peaches though! :D

[Me&DappledDuo]

She's most likely a piebald- DD's tend to have a much less regular pattern of white spotting (note her white blaze- pretty typical for a pie).

One thing that worries me about this breeder, though... is English Creams are really never mixed with white spotting patterns. They don't tend to make pretty dogs- cream on white is a little like using yellow marker on a white posterboard- not pleasing to the eye. She SHOULD know her dogs well enough to know who's carrying piebald- it doesn't sound good.

And please be careful in your area of the country- there's really very few responsible breeders in the midwest- but lots and lots of crappy ones and millers. When you see lots of "colors" and patterns- it's a good sign that you're talking to a commercial breeder.

[MnM]

I have a list for Colorado, one in South Dakota, one in Utah, one in California, and one in New York - none have puppies. One is scheduled for breeding winter 2005. Please keep in mind that all of them have finished champions and have had referrals from other breeders. Can you recommend one that actually has some puppies? Is that allowed here? I don't want to cause any trouble!

[Cindi]

That phrase always amuses me - I'm not aiming this at you, Me&Dappled Duo - I'm aiming it at the commercial breeders who use the phrase to sell their puppies as if there is a difference between THEIR creams and the American creams. There isn't any difference. <G>

Unfortunately there ARE dapple creams and piebald creams and double dapple creams. I'm with you, though, I don't know why anyone would want to do it.

I vote for the puppy is a piebald - since I can't see the body I would say the Irish spotting version but in the vernacular still called a piebald. I'm surprised it wasn't loudly proclaimed as such and priced higher since it IS a piebald.

Cindi

[Kim H.]

makes me think of a box of chocolates.:sarcasti:

That puppy looks a little like Cassie when she was that age, but as noted, the pup's white is symmetrical and hers wasn't.

(Cass is probably a red DD or DD piebald... yes I know that is wrong - we had already decided to buy her :heart: before I learned about colors/pattern mixing).

[MnM]

I visited her Dogster site and Cass is beautiful, Kim. :)

[Kim H.]

and my little girl thanks you.:)

[doxunzX3]

other than pretty darn cute at this point. I will have to go and look at the other puppies posted. I have been jumping around checking out the new posts and so glad I didn't miss this one. She is adorable!:flower:

[Me&DappledDuo]

Hey Cindi-

I've always I felt funny about the "English" and "American" titles, too. Cream is cream, right? (Well- it's a actually more yellow... but let's not get into that;)). From what I've seen, however- "American Creams" aren't always creams at all- the whole term sends up flags. Yuck yuck yuck.

:lol:

[HansMan'sDad]

Sooo cute. We were hoping to get a doxie with those colors, maybe soon. Maybe a chocolate too...


Quote I heard:

Doxies are like potatoe chips, you can't have just one....

[Mack]

In her web page on dachshund colors, the breeder Sandra Russell asserts that "true creams'' will have extensive British/English lines in their pedigrees as "all creams in this country have come from Britain in the past decade.''
Do you find this generally true? Maybe I'm picking nits, but I was wondering about your comment that there isn't any difference in the creams.

Click here (http://www.12many.com/duchwood/colorpat.html) to read the page on dachshund colors.

[Cindi]

I totally agree with Sandy. The importation of creams into America is how the color was introduced over here. I was going to say that was how the color got over here and that is probably why commercial breeders HARP on using that phrasology until the smooth cream popped in to my mind (He is a tweeny that was being shown in my area and I don't know his parentage but he was so atypical in his looks that I hated to think he came from English lines. If he did, they really botched up his breeding a long time ago - well, after all he is was a smooth so they did something!!) I don't know his pedigree at all and was afraid he came by his cream genetics some other way than the cream longhairs.

Anyway, many of the Americans want their dogs to be creams and mislabel them. That is why many websites have their dogs listed as creams and you see their pictures and they have red in them. Creams should NOT have any hint of red. We even have a show breeder now claiming that they want it written in to the color standard - I do not understand the logic of bast***izing the color to legitimize what they are breeding (?) If the cch takes out/neutralizes the red, then to me that means there is no red :) leaving the yellow/creamy biscuit/champagne blonde but not tan with black shading allowed or not color. (Did that cover all the color ranges <GGG>)

Cindi

[Mack]

So, how is that smooth cream doing in the ring? Are the judges able to tell it is an "atypical'' dachshund and acting accordingly?

[Cindi]

Yes, thankfully, they have realized that he is NOT what a dachshund should look like (not based on color I'm sure) and they have not given him any points......yet...that I'm aware of. I actually haven't seen him lately. However, I'm sure that we will eventually see some of his children as his owner was breeding him to everything she owned because of his color. I'm sure she isn't/wasn't aware that it took cream on both sides to GET the color.

Cindi

[kpm_tex]

So.. if she bred him to a non-cream would that produce pups that had cream as recessive? If she then turned around and bred him to one of his daughters would that quailfy as cream on both sides ? :mutant: Scarey thought...

[Cindi]

Yes, Karen that is right. Or, she could breed the offspring and hope that they would produce creams. My guess would be they would be pretty .... uhm .... *unique* looking. Not typey dachshunds :)

Cindi

[kpm_tex]

And this is why stupid people shouldn't breed... pups or otherwise :uh-oh: