KEEP YOUR PAWS CROSSED!!

[Krista]

John just called and said I could go down to Kathleen's Wild Weiner Ranch and see if Wrinkles is still available, and if he is okay with Rudy -WE CAN ADOPT HIM!!!

Pray that this is the real thing and that he won't change his mind this time!!!!

I hope to have a new little boy home with us soon!!!!!

[Wienergal]

Great news, Krista! Like slowly flowing water over stone, you are wearing the hubster down! Way to go!

Going over to the Ranch site to have a look at Wrinkles. You may count on all toes and paws in this household remaining crossed until you have the new doggie! [So don't dawdle! http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/lol.gif ]

[Sam's mom]

Wow!!!! I need to learn how to do that.http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/biggrin.gif My husband doesn't have the same pic in his as I do. I see a house full of loving dachsies running and playing and curling up together. He sees a house full of dogs to feed and to clean up after. Little does he know that if I don't my babies he won't get his (kids)http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/disgust.gif
He'll learn one of these days that I'll be able to call myself 2,4,6,8 dogs long. HA, HA
GOOD LUCK & CONGRATS(?)!!!

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[~8DachsieAngels~]

Wow CONGRATS Krista i saw his pic on the website hes such a cuties... GOOD LUCK!!

Jen

[Krista]

UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Well I just got off the phone with Kathy Winter -dachshund resuce of OH.
After telling her about myself, she says she thinks Wrinkles might not be the dog for us, But SHE HAS 30 rescues for me to find the perfect brudder for Rudy. --sad that she has 30 precious ones all needing homes.
****most of them not on the website and many on websites have been adopted -she can't seem to contact the lady that was updating her site--sounds like a new webmaster volunteer is needed****

Poor Wrinkles was previously adopted by a man in Seattle, but his wife made him return him -Kathleen Flew to seattle to get him. Sad Sad Sad. She has had a wire dach/chi mix for a year and nobody wants him...

Anyhow, John and I will visit by ourselves tomorrow around 2:00pm EST. We'll see if anyone "picks us" as Kathy says usually happens. If so, we'll take him for a walk and play with him. Fill out an adoption application. If all goes well, sometime soon Kathy will bring the pupper to our home to see how they do together and to see our house and make sure it is suitable.

-She has in mind a two year old tweenie silver dapple names stanley. -John says he doesn't want a dapple (who knows Why?? -but he is partial to reds). Anyway anything can happen. Look at Amy -she wanted a red mini female and she is now head over heels for a b/t standard boy!

Thanks for prayers and rays. Keep them paws crossed! I'll keep ya posted.

[2DogsLong]

YAY!

I have to go and see Wrinkles. I'm so excited for you! Well done!

I very nearly had another dog today. A 10 yr old girl needed a foster home and I agreed to take her with plans to adopt her if she got along with the boys. At the last minute she was snapped up by someone in Saskatchewan. Chris will be very happy. He does not want another dog but really has no choice.

[Krista]

Sad news everyone....

The visit to the rescue today was not a good one for us.
John and I both had negative gut feelings about the rescue and the lady that runs it...

She was very....strange in a creepy sort of way. We felt uncomfortable the whole time. We were not invited to cross the fence, and you know that to most dachsies, anything not being invited in is foe, not friend.

There were at least 30 of them. Dirty -course it has been raining here today. Many of them needed brushed and nail clipped. They did have room to run and play outside and all looked well fed. Saw no sign of fleas, some had mange -puppymill rescues. tiry dachsies barking at once is a very distinctive sound.

Some were not friendly and are known biters. We held four little males. They all smelled awful, except for the one that had just been neutered yesterday. He growled at john, but loved me -go figure.

We both liked wrinkles, but she was trying to convince us not to want him. Called him boisterous -saw no sign of that while we were there, I pointed that out and she said he wasnt feeling well. Looked happy to me. She also said he is destructive in the house and yard, made no mention of ways to curb that. She said he liked to bowl little dogs over -he didn't do that while we were there. He just wanted to hug and kiss us.

Rather than letting us be picked -I felt wrinkes was trying to pick us -she keot passing certain ones over the fence to me. Two of them growled at john, he won't try to rehab a growler.

Due to the bad vibes, discomfort, and conditions we saw -John is dead against rescue now. I have suggested others DRNA and local all breeds that might have one, but he is very skeptical now.

At that rescue, there were too many dogs for her to really know each one, and how they would react with a small mellow boy. Too many to keep up with grooming as usual as we do for our own... We were not invited inside, but it was not a big house and I can not imagine 30+ dogs no matter how small inside it. -As I said nothing was inhumane. She was poopscooping while we were there, but thirty dachsies really tear up the grass and mud makes for dirty dogs. I saw whe feeds Nature's Recipe L&R.

The thing is, there is no way one woman can know each of those dachsies personalities and be able to work with them to get them more ready to go to a new home. Some have been there a long time. I just think they are hard to adopt since the lady is so strange, and since the dogs need one on one attention.

I'm crying. Those poor babies need love, but if the hubby isn't all for rehabilitating one with bad habits or fears, then I have to respect that. Resuce is a family effort.....

I just wish.....sorry this probably does not read well and is likely confusing. I'm just disappointed and a little upset...

I tried to tell him that DRNA is different and that they foster dogs in their home and get to know thme while placing them -only a few at a time. He understands that, but is still leary. Last time I looked no DRNA rep was in ohio any way and he would want to meet them first.
He did not like all the growlers and biters. He is who he is, and if any of our dogs growl at him or bite, they would have to leave. That is another problem.

He said we could look for a breeder, but rescue is not an option for him now after the experience yesterday. The only way he said he would rescue is if the owner still had the dog and loved it, but had to give it up to move or something like that. Where we could go to their house and meet the baby under those circumstances......

He's already got some calls into to two breeders that a lady we met at the vet reccommended. I guess we'll see what they say and visit to see for ourselves what kind of operation they are.

Do you all think less of me now?? Here I am promoting rescue -telling everyone about organizations that have dachsies, yet I'm willing to buy one because I want another so badly and seems like that is the only way hubby will agree to it now??? He is stubborn as a dachsie and he only wants one that will be as wonderful as Rudy is...I tell him buying from a breeder is no guarantee, but he has his mind set. He wants to see where the dog has lived and been raised thus far and he wants to see parents, he wants a dog that carries no excess baggage....

Oh this is so upsetting.


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[Wienergal]

Krista, think less of you? Not a chance! Feel sad for you? That's more like it. http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/kfrown.gif

So sorry you had to go through this. I can imagine your disappointment! I'm a little confused about this rescue site--was this Kathleen's Wild Wiener Ranch? I have to say, I don't think it's the best idea in the world to have 30 dogs all roaming around together, especially since some have come from puppy mills and aren't socialized well to begin with. When I have Arnold visiting here, the three dogs definitely develop a quick pack mentality and are more difficult to control, so I can just imagine what happens with 30!!

Mostly I am sad that this experience has put John off rescue completely. Is there any possibility that, given a little time, he'll get over this experience and maybe consent to a one-on-one adoption? If not, well, I believe that every dog deserves a home--and that includes those who come from breeders. So if that's where Rudy's brother comes from, so be it.

Do something nice for yourself today.

[Con&Finn'smom]

Krista,
You have tried to go the rescue route. Sometimes things just don't work out. I don't think anyone should think less of you for trying!! You are an advocate for the breed and have given excellent information to people on this and other boards. I'm sure, as a responsible doxie owner, you will find a respectable breeder to get a pupper if that is the route you end up having to take. There is certainly nothing wrong with that!
You should not beat yourself (or your husband)up over what has transpired... Things will work out the way they are supposed to. Your experience with the rescue person sounds like it could change the mind of many who are interested in getting a rescue. I hope that something is done to help this person get things more in order!
I do hope that you end up with a brudder or sissy for Rudy - one way or another. You are obviously a very great pet owner, and there is a doxie out there who is deserving of having someone like you in his or her life.
Clarese

[WOTANSMUTTI]

Krista,

What made this so hard and sad for you is the big hopeful build up for getting another dachsie kid while rescuing an abused or unlucky dog.

You did fine trying as you did. I too believe this wasn't the time for you or your hubby. I'm glad you were brave and checked things out: it shows that even the best intentions for rescue must be tempered with practicality.

You're right on that you can't have 30 dachsies and try and take care of all their damaged emotional needs. It would be too much for any lady,creepy or not!

I second the idea of doing something X-tra nice for yourself tonight.

take care, Sonja

[Sam's mom]

I know how hard it is to get through to a husband when his mind is made up. I am on the email list for DRNA and I was disappointed in the fact that a woman calling herself a rescue org would put a bad taste in someone's mouth, ruining things for all rescue orgs. So I asked the DRNA members on the email list what we could do to help you out. I'm not sure what age or other preferences you have but we have had many posts on the list of an overwhelming amount of dachshunds needing homes. The foster homes are full so I'm sure we could find you a new brother or sister for your family. If you are still interested in trying to rescue and want to from a good org I am more than willing to help.
A woman from DRNA is willing to introduce you guys to some of her dogs. If you interested I will send you her email address.
I agree with the others about the whole family needs to be willing participants in rescue but I feel that you guys got a bad picture of rescue.
Anyways whatever you decide we'll stand by ya and good luck!!

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[dutchman]

Krista,

Don't feel bad. If you husband has doubts then rescue isn't the right thing for you at least not at this time. If you had a rescue coordinator closer to you they might be able to put you in contact with successful rescue families and that might change his mind. If he could attend some activities like Colorado Dachshund Rescue annual weenie roast and meet a number of rescued dogs that might help. Go with a breeder for now please just try and make sure it a reputable breeder. Like you say there is no guarantee with a dog from a good breeder. Perhaps one of the best options you should consider (unless your heart is set on a pup) is a retired show dog or dog who is still young and was originally kept to be a show dog but for one reason or another is not up to show standards. I would still consider this a rescue as these dogs need good loving homes and many good breeders will let you (if you pass their standards) have the animal for a very reduced cost even less than normal rescue fees. I hope you find your new fur kid one way or another. Keep up your support for rescue.

Rescue can be hard work, I've got some in store with my new little guy Tanner. He will fear growl or bark at people and will try to pick a fight with many strange dogs. He seems to do just fine when introduced to new dogs in a controlled environment. Tanner appears to have already bonded with me and a simple finger circle combined with a little blow at his nose when he barks or growls appears to be helping. If anyone knows of a good reason not to use the light finger muzzle and air blow technique please educate me. I've seen it used with good results but if there are more potential problems than benefits please let me know. I'm the first to admit I'm no expert in fact I'm very far from being an expert. If everyone in a home is not willing to work on such problems then such a rescue should not take place. A good rescue coordinator will do as much as possible to make sure the individual animal is being placed in the proper home. I know our rescue people were concerned about placing Tanner, they had decided no children, and an experienced dog owner were important in selecting him a home. Since I'm single and have shy dog experience they were delighted when I said I was interested in him.

Good luck,

Tom, Frank, and now Tanner

[doxielover]

Krista,

I too am confused about this Rescue Site, is it Kathleen's Wild Wiener Ranch in OH.? When Pamela brought that out, I immediately wondered too. I'm disgusted that the dogs smelled bad! That's a sign that she's WAY over her head with not enough help.http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/frown.gif Another thing that bothers me is, I feel that DRNA (or whoever) should have been aware of how many dogs she had, and draw the line, to prevent this. If this Kathy is a regular Foster, well it sets a bad reputation for DRNA, or whoever is involved.
Krista, I too believe you're wonderful and trying to do your best!http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/smile.gif You WILL in time find the perfect Rescue pupper!http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/smile.gif I'm just baffled, confused, and disgusted with your unfortunate story.http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/frown.gif I just hope it is NOT Kathleen's Wild Wiener Ranch! Keep your chin up Krista! I give you LOADS of credit, I personally couldn't deal with the awful conditions and abuse with Rescues.http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/kfrown.gif

Susan

[sillysadie]

DRNA is in NO way affiliated with The Wild Weiner Ranch. DNRA has offered to help many times and offers are refused. Please do not consider her as a member or affiliate of DRNA.

Shelley DRNA New Mexico

[dutchman]

Sillysadie,

Thank you for the information. I was just looking at the Weenie Ranch site and was suspecting something like this was going on. Very deceptive name Dachshund of Ohio, Inc. But I noted their was no mention of DRNA at least none that is obvious on the site. I suspect any group with ties to DRNA would have links to the national site plus the DRNA adoption application.

Krista I don't know if this will help sway your husband but make sure he is aware of this information.

Again good luck,

Tom, Frank(Larimer County Humane Society rescue, April, 2000) and Tanner(DR-Colorado/DRNA placed July, 2000)

[wireweiners]

Sounds like Kathleen is what is know as a "collector". These people's heart is in the right place but they are not very realistic about rescue work. They have a "save the world" mentality and take in more dogs, cats, etc. than they are able to care for properly. Often they get so bad that the conditions they keep their animals in is as bad or worse than the conditions they were rescued from. Many times animal control has to come in and shut them down. We had one of those locally. She took in everything and would never euthanize a dog no matter how old, sick, ill, vicious, etc. She would even refuse to spay pregnant females even very early in the pregancy when it was still safe. She didn't want to "abort" the puppies. She got to the point where she couldn't afford to feed the dogs properly, much less provide vet care. Finally, animal control gave her 2 months to shut down.

Tell your hubby not to give up on rescue. My mom got Joey through DFW Dachshund rescue and he is a wonderful little dog. He came house trained and has no bad habits. He was turned in to a shelter because his owner had a new baby and he barked when someone came to the door and woke the baby. Some rescue dachsies do have problems but a truly reputable rescue group will screen the dogs and be able to give you an accurate description of temperment, habits, etc. There are many wonderful dogs in rescue just waiting for a home. My mom says she wouldn't have anything else. She says she is too old to deal with house training, chewing, etc.

[Krista]

I just got back from my business trip -so that's why I have not responded.

I am Well aware of What DRNA does and how they do it.

I have known all along that the Ranch was not affiliated with DRNA. I knew she had a lot of dogs, but did not know that it was over 30, until friday of last week.

I have always promoted rescue and wanted to rescue since I fell in love with the breed.

John is not easily convinced. It took me forever to convince him to even be open to looking at Wrinkles as many of you know. After the visit to the "rescue" he is now convinced that he was right and rescues have problems. I have told him that DRNA is completely different, but his mind is now firmly shut to the idea. I too Know DRNA members like Tom Flynn who is not on this bb and those who are -Shelley, Andrea, Beckie, Pamela.....need I go on??

I have done the research. I visit several rescue sites regularly. I think a BIG problem is that it seems the ranch is able to get the Ohio dachsies before DRNA or other great rescues can get to them. That is one reason she has so many. She finds out where they are and gets to them quickly!!

Anyhow, I have also done the research on finding reputable breeders and have gone through that process. Incidentally, the Dallas -Ft Woth Dachshund Club has some grat articles and lists on the subject of buying a puppy and deciding on what a reputable breeder is. http://www.dfwdachshund.com

My heart still aches for those babies there at the ranch. I had heard some talk of her being difficult to adopt from and that she did not have good turn-around time.

Rest assured though -several dogs had stitches and had been freshly neutered and you could tell they were being fed.

My main concerns are:

There are too many dogs to rehabilitate the ones that need it -fears, growlers, biters, potty training, OCD, etc.

The smelly unkempt condition of the dogs is not putting there "best foot forward" and will turn people off of adopting them.

She will not be able to observe all of them in normal houshold environments to see how they react and know what kind of home would suit them best.

At this time, we will not be rescuing. This makes me very sad. My heart wants to rescue, but my relationship with my husband is more important. I am mad at myself for taking him there just as his mind was opening to the idea. I should have checked it out by myself first, kept it to myself and tried for a DRNA adoption instead after finding out what that place really was like.

While I am still upset, and my heart is still broken over this, I still want to add an another to my household. I don't want to wait another year or more that it might take to convince my husband to try DRNA. This friday we will go check out a breeder - she has a waiting list for girls, but I will be first in line for a boy if I find her to be reputable.

I do appreciate all the words of encouragement. I would love to adopt from DRNA someday, I hope that eventually I will. Actually, eventually I would like to become a DRNA member and foster parent. After hubby garduates from the academy, I plan on joining up -even If I can only drive or do home visits until John opens up to fostering....