Puppy coat question....

[Julius_Mama_Ali]

Well,

After a YEAR of waiting...
I'll be getting a mini (hopefully female) doxie in May!

Of course she hasn't even been conceived yet, but I have a question.
The mom is a smooth ( not sure if she carries LH or not.) and the daddy is a LH.

Will the pups be smooths or LH or a combo of both?

Also, you can have both smooths & LH's in one litter ...right?

Here's the breeders Website. http://Www.LazyIzziAcres.com

The mother is Rose, and the father is Yoda. I'll be meeting them soon! :clap: :cheer:

[Cindi]

Well, it doesn't appear that Rose carries longhair from what I could try and understand from the pedigree that was posted. She might further back. Going on the assumption that she doesn't (not knowing mind you) all the puppies should be smooths. If she has ever produced a longhair, then you know she carries longhair and I'm sure the breeder should know by now.

You can have smooths and longs in one litter. The puppies do not, however, come out with 1/2 the body longhair and 1/2 the body smooth. They are either one or the other.

I find it unusual that they are breeding two patterns together ie brindle and dapple. The color combination will be.....interesting.... if the brindle and dapple occur on the same dog. Brindle on a black and tan only shows up on the tan points; seeing as how the brindling on a chocolate and tan dog would be chocolate I would assume the same would be true. However, on a dapple the possibilities for the brindling to show through on the dappled areas might be possible.

Congratulations and good luck!

Cindi

[Me&DappledDuo]

I second Cindi's "interesting" comment. I have no idea why this breeder would be breeding these two dogs together. A dapple showing brindling? Not usually seen outside of puppymills where they breed everything to everything. It's definitley not a desirable coat.

Since daddy doesn't appear to carry for chocolate (yes- based on the rather weak pedigrees posted), it's odd that she's breeding a chocolate female to him. There can't be chocolates unless both parents carry the gene.

She claims to breed for conformation- yet doesn't indicate that any of her dogs have even been shown before.

And my biggest concern? Rose just had a litter in October- a litter of 4 (of which she has no idea who the daddy is0. 4 isn't a SMALL litter- and she deserves a break between her heats! Responsible breeders will usually allow a female at least one heat between litters so that her body can recover from the stress.

Here's a great list of questions you should ask a breeder: http://www.dachshund.org/breeder_questionstoask.html
And here's another: http://www.dog-play.com/ethics.html

Getting a puppy is always so exciting- but you can afford to be patient and do it right! Good luck! :)

[juliette]

I really don't like to be negative, but as the affectionately known "DBB Cold Bucket of Water", I think I have to second the thoughts put forward by Chrissie and Cindi below.

You have to question this breeder and why she is engaging in practices which champion breeders (like Cindi) would NEVER engage in (for example, the mixing of coats such as brindle and dapple). We have all seen through rescue the damage done by breeders breeding for profit rather than for the betterment of the breed. Several members here have blind or deaf dogs which are the unfortunate result of this sort of coat mixing.

Perhaps you might want to consider doing a thorough investigation on this breeder. Is there a Dachsie Breed Association or Dachsie Rescue organization in your area that you can consult about her? Failing that, perhaps a few more "hard" questions.

Please feel free to ask questions here. We are certainly not "judging" your choices, but the impressions we are getting based on her web site are highly concerning.

[Sausage Mom]

And my biggest concern? Rose just had a litter in October- a litter of 4 (of which she has no idea who the daddy is0. 4 isn't a SMALL litter- and she deserves a break between her heats! Responsible breeders will usually allow a female at least one heat between litters so that her body can recover from the stress. That was exactly what I thought...poor Rose!

I am thrilled that you want to get another little puppy doxie (you must know how much we love puppies!!) and a companion for Julius. But Chrissie, Cindi and Juliette really do raise great points....and really no one here is judging you in anyway...hey, I bought Pogo at a petstore (before I came here and learned about Back Yard Breeders - BYB). It's awesome that you are taking your time and planning the next addition to your family, so maybe a little more investigation would ensure you are getting a healthy well-bred puppy as well.

[Julius_Mama_Ali]

Well,

If I were asked ..... I'd say I know alot about doxies. Coloration is probably my weakpoint of knowledge, but I do know quite a bit other than that. So the whole dapple with brindle points ( or whatever it was....) Doesn't really matter so much to me, because I told her I wanted a red or b&t.
I do feel like quite a shmuck for not noticing that Rose just had a litter.I know that not giving the bitch at least 1 heat cycle before breeding again is a definite no-no.
I'm meeting the breeder sometime later this month and that will be number 1 on my answer of questions. After all...she does have other bitches that will be in heat when rose is, that haven't had a litter in awhile. Why doesn't she breed one of them?

Well.....at this point...honestly... I'm feeling a bit less confident in my desicsion. I know all about puppy mills, BYB and the horrors of pet stores.
I've been trying to rescue for over 2 years now. I check my rescue sites every other day ( riverside rescue.... drwp.net .... dena delgados site.... Drna....even my shelters ) but NONE of the doxie have been

1. good with kids
2. good with cats
3. good with infants
4. good with other young dogs

Some of the rescues even said right out "I don't think a rescue is for you.....with all of your requirements, you should get a puppy." or something to that effect. I agree as well. Most rescue dogs have a past that makes them unable to be around kids/cats or both. So getting a puppy form a breeder, although it wasn't what I preferred....is my only option!

I certainly won't buy from this woman, if I don't get a %100 "good feeling" when I meet her. She's also gotta have the right answers to my questions.
( This is coming from the girl who carries "Dachshunds for dummies" and "Your purebred puppy" around like a bible and has them almost memorized! )

Thanks everyone for your help- I appreciate having people with such doxie knowledge as friends! Your straightforward advice and answers were also needed. :hug2:

[Cindi]

I went to her website again. I must admit that her stating that she breeds for show, breeding and pet quality makes me want to .... sheesh I can't put it kindly. Anyway, from the pedigrees I saw on there I would be HIGHLY SURPRISED if anything from there could ever do anything in the show ring. Not that someone couldn't enter the show ring but I would be surprised if they could accomplish much just based on the history of the parentage. There are not champions of record except for the one dog and that was quite a ways back and only on one side. Although there have been dogs from unremarkable pedigrees do great things in the conformation ring, it is the exception and not the rule. Most reputable breeders would state that ONCE they are champions then they can be *breeding quality*. Most would say that yes, there are exceptions to that rule but we would want to finish their championship first if possible. Not just breed willy-nilly.

I applaud your willingness to question her. I will venture to say she will have a good reason to breed this bitch again so soon (there are fertility specialists who do say that back-to-back breedings are not that hard on the bitch if they are well-kept. However, I have a feeling that this woman has financial reasons for doing it and it isn't because she *needs* another dog as the rest of us do it - course I do that every 2 years <GG>)

And speaking of financial reasons - $300 for an unregistered puppy? That is what she is asking for Rose's current litter. That was profitable for her. I'm sorry. Accidental breedings can happen to the best of people BUT ......... $300??

Cindi

[quavec]

Allison, I haven't a clue as to breeding etc. I come here for all my answers. However, I wish you the BEST of luck on your search. You sound like you have everyone's (your family and the pups) best interest at heart! Good luck and when you do decide, don't forget the pictures! ;)

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