Dapple's, can they have problems with........

[shizzy]

Their eyesight, hearing? I'm asking because i read(not here) that some dapples have albino in them. And some species with albino are weaker in their sight and heaing. Does this have some truth to it, or is it just BS???

thx
:D

[tiggermiss]

My Casey is a Dapple and we have had no problems with his sight or hearing.

I think it's the Double Dapples that you need to worry about.

Casey has one brown eye and one blue eye. Alot of people ask me If he is blind in the blue eye. Well, I'm happy to report that he is not blind. I had him tested at the Vet.

As for the hearing..........I understand that MOST Dachsie's have selctive hearing :rofl: I can certainly vouch for that one!
If in doubt........have your furkid checked. :)

[TDR11114]

I have always heard that breeding a Dapple with a Dapple ,will cause problems, but Blue is a Dapple pup, and I have no problems with her. There are alot of experts on this panel that can tell you alot about breeding, and problems with Dapples. Good Luck!

[Kim H.]

If two dachshunds who are dapples are bred, they can produce a double dapple (in other breeds, dappling is called merling). The white areas on a double dapple pup are the spots where the double dappling has occurred (it is very random). If the double dappling occurs on certain parts of the eye or ear structures, it can lead to malformed or missing eyes (these can look small and red, like you descibed the albino appearance) and blindness, or various degrees of deafness. It is not recommended to breed 2 dappled dachshunds to each other for this reason. Sometimes a dog's dapples can fade or it may be dappled in only a small area - that is where it gets tricky and important to know the dogs' pedigrees before they're bred.

Single dapples sometimes have blue eyes if the dappling hits there (like Janet's Casey) and the pup can see fine... although I have heard the blue eyes may be a little more sun sensitive. Single dapples do not have the pure white areas - the single dappling appears as a lighter version of the coat color in the dappled area. It can also get tricky if the dog has mixed patterns (like my little girl probably does) and is part piebald - because piebald also produces white spots - in a well-bred piebald the spots are very distinct and usually symmetrical (looks a little like a beagle).

That's the condensed version of the answer. :)

[Kim H.]

http://dachshund.org/article_double_dapple.html

[TDR11114]

Kim has it covered ! Way to go Kim, you certainly know your stuff!
As far as Dachsies having selective hearing, :smirk: you are so right on the money with that statement! :wavey:

[Kim H.]

then read something about blindness and deafness and panicked :faint: . That's when we did some research on the DDs. We had already fallen in love with Cassie by that time, and she has no hearing or vision problems - she was lucky. :circle:

[onebigmickeyfan]

You covered it. Double Dapple Mom was wading in on this one.

[shizzy]

Well thx everyone for your input :bowing2:

the info has answered my questions !

[Heide]

I have a dapple, Buddy who has one Blue and one Brown eye, he see's fine.
Benjamin, who is a DD is blind and partially deaf.

[LUVMYGUNNER]

Petunia is a dapple and she is perfect---nothing wrong with her.

[shizzy]

In the link that Kim gave me(btw, thx again), i found that if there is going to be some "handicap" its more than likely going to be in the double dapple.

[LUVMYGUNNER]

Are you getting a dapple or do you have one????Or are you trying to breed one???

[shizzy]

Nope! i dont have a dachie YET! :pray: But my family and I are going to get a lil pupper sometime in May. :circle: For now i'm just doing my homework on the breed. And no, i will not be breeding.
What i do know is that we want a smooth coat, doesn't matter the color. I was just interested in the dapple's coloring, and if there could be any health issues invovled.

thx everyone.

BTW, i am active on a few other different forums around the net, and i must say that dachsie.org is BY FAR the most cheerful :appl: (must be the dogs keep'n ya happy) LoL

[LUVMYGUNNER]

Good luck on finding your puppy. Why not try rescue they get young dogs sometimes. I think there was a puppy on Petfinder one of the other boards had posted it was a dapple.

[shizzy]

Say there Gunner,
ya we would like to rescue, but i found its not much more money to adopt a pup. I guess i don't fully understand the adoption fees when there $150-$250? I understand that the caretaker has to spend money on food, vet bills, shots, etc. But if someone is willing to rescue an "unwanted" dog. The persons involved in the giving of the adoption should be grateful that someone is willing to take-in the pet. If there wasn't an adoptee, what would happen to the dog? Put to sleep? To me, I see greed in charging someone to adopt a pet, at that high of an adoption fee!
Thats just my view, until someone can show me different.

[alisoninmd]

Say there Gunner,
ya we would like to rescue, but i found its not much more money to adopt a pup. I guess i don't fully understand the adoption fees when there $150-$250? I understand that the caretaker has to spend money on food, vet bills, shots, etc. But if someone is willing to rescue an "unwanted" dog. The persons involved in the giving of the adoption should be grateful that someone is willing to take-in the pet. If there wasn't an adoptee, what would happen to the dog? Put to sleep? To me, I see greed in charging someone to adopt a pet, at that high of an adoption fee!
Thats just my view, until someone can show me different.

I'm not quite sure I understand your logic...

Many rescue groups take in dogs that are in BAD condition, or some that haven't received proper vet care. They spend lots of money to get the dog to where they should be. This is expensive, and these programs are most always privately funded. From what I've been told, adoption fees don't even begin to cover what the organization has actually spent on the dog.

Some Humane League shelters that take in drop-offs and strays do not have an adoption fee. This is where we got our Rex. Since he wasn't neutered, we had to pay for that. We also gave them a donation. For many shelters, unless the dog is adopted, there is a chance they will be put to sleep if a home isn't found soon enough. Are you aware that millions of wonderful animals die needlessly in shelters every year? At least when a rescue group takes them in, they will be safe until they go to their forever home.

If you do end up going to a breeder, be prepared to pay for it- I believe dapples are even more expensive than other colorings. Personally, I hope you seriously reconsider and home a rescue from a shelter or rescue group. Everyone has to make their own personal choice, but for me and my family- there is no way, no how we will ever pay to get an animal from a breeder when wonderful animals are waiting in line to be adopted.

Good luck to you and with your decision!! :)

[Me&DappledDuo]

Shizzy, you just don't understand the rescue process. You see- rescue groups are run ON these adoption fees and the few dollars that come in through fund raising. A well run rescue group is ALWAYS thin on dollars. Most dogs that FLDR gets in require much more than $150-250 in vet fees- they must be spayed/neutered, treated for heartworm or illnesses (VERY expensive- and common!), be made UTD on shots, boarded at a vet's office until a foster home can be found, and many times- there are other expenses involved (not every shelter works with us- we often have to pay the "adoption fees", too).

The food, supplies, and housing are all donated by the foster home. They don't make a cent on a dog they foster- the adoption fee very, very rarely even breaks even with the expense involved in getting a dog to an adoptable state.
We're thankful for the wonderful homes that adopt our dogs- but if someone isn't willing to donate a mere $250 back into the group that saved their future pet's life- then they probably aren't a home we'd want to adopt to anyway. If we don't ask for a slight reimbursement for the care we put into the dogs we adopt out- how on earth do we pay for the new batch?

Rescues do it for the dogs. There is NO way we'd euthanize a dog we brought into our group if we couldn't find the right home for them. They'd simply become a permanent foster. Rescue is an expensive thing to do, and often quite thankless when people don't take into account the huge amount of personal expense each rescue member takes on. There is NO profit to it- it's a never ending battle to keep funds in the coffers. And a SINGLE needy dog can wipe out an entire year's budget.

$150-250 for a temperament tested, healthy, UTD, spayed/neutered, atleast moderately trained pet? That's a DEAL! I dare you to find a well bred puppy that won't cost you three times that upper level by the time you've vetted them for the year. ;)

[alisoninmd]

Well said, Chrissie.

[Kim H.]

there is always the option of adopting directly from a shelter... I think it's nice that with a rescue pup you not only get the vet and spay/neuter, you usually also get input from the foster parents on the dog's temperament, activity level, whether it gets along with other pets, etc... which is kind of nice to know.

Actually, you asked a good question that other people might have wondered. Thanks for the explanation, Chrissie and Alison. :)

[TessieMom]

I don't know where you live, but I can tell you that it costs us (Central Texas Dachshund Rescue) an average of $200 in vet bills to get a normal dog ready to be adopted (my vet is even more because he doesn't give rescues a break). The expensive ones are much more (sometimes costing over $3000 per dog). For the last year, CTDR expenses were the following:
Jan: $4486.72
Feb: $4979.73
Mar: $6857.47
Apr: $5197.37
May: $5786.26
Jun: $7493.02
Jul: $8357.89
Aug: $8033.72
Sep: $9291.03
Oct. $7994.46
Nov. $6985.30
Dec. $13,131.63

Our expenses just seem to keep rising and we a relatively small group. These expenses do not include help we received from DDS for back surgery. Our adoption fees never cover what we spend on dogs and I usually donate about half of the vet bills for dogs I foster, pay for routine meds, food, and transporting dogs. This week, so far (it is Thursday), I drove 54 miles on Sunday for a home check, 82 miles with Blue on Tuesday, and 98 miles with a puppy yesterday.

What you get from rescue is a dog that is fully vetted (spayed or neutered), HW check, fecal, up to date on shots, temperment tested, commonly crate trained and house trained. If you have questions, don't hesitate to contact any of us involved in rescue!

[LUVMYGUNNER]

Hon, when you consider all the care rescue gives these animals in the long run you save. When I got Gunner as a pup (7 weeks old) I paid $250.00 for him. He had no shots, nothing. When I took him to the vet the next day for the first time, I bought the puppy kit which was $150.00 and it provided most of the puppy shots but not all, also since he was never wormed the vet did a fecal which I think ran around 25-30 dollars. When I got Petunia she was spayed up to date on shots I think she only needs one shot which she got 2 wks. ago and a booster next week. She was wormed. All that is probably about $500.00 dollars if I had to do it. Spaying/Neutering is not cheap her in AZ. Shots are not either. I paid 25.00 dollars 2 wks. ago for the shot and next week for the booster most likely the same. When you get a rescue they are basically up to date on everything. Hope this helps you.:)

[Juneysmom]

Also, somehow for some people the dog is more valued if they have to pay a lot for the dog.

The value of spending $250.00 on a rescue is just that. You don't need to spend anymore money for the rest of the year. A good puppy from an excellent breeder costs double that, then for the first year you are spending about another $200.00 to $1000 (ask Courtney) for the pup. There is the HW meds, rest of shots, spay/neuter, microchip, toys, car carrier, kennel, crate, collars, leads, food, blankets, beds, treats and chewies, potty pads, puppy training, etc. You don't have to spend all that with rescues. About the only thing I can think of that you might have to spend lots on in the first year with a rescue are HW meds, toys, car carrier, kennel, crate, collars, leads, food, blankets, beds, treats and chewies. See how much you can save! :D Oh yes, you can also save in furniture and anything that puppies like to chew. :D

Just think of the money you pay for a rescue as a donation to the group. They make NO profit. Any money coming to them is a dent in their expenses. An excellent and reputable breeder sometimes makes no profit. A puppy mill, backyard breeder, casual breeder and pet store make tons of profit.

[shizzy]

WOW

Well all of you really changed my mine on adoption fees.Thanks :coolcool:

Actually i am really considering adopting instead of buying from a breeder now. Can anyone put me in touch with someone in the mid-michigan area, that could help me adopt? (sorry if i'm asking too much) I would really appreciate it!

thanks :D

[Linsey]

I'm glad you are doing research before getting your new puppy. Dachshunds are wonderful pets but have a lot of necessary "owner education" associated with them. Congratulations on being a smart pet owner! :appl:

[Courtknee]

I am THRILLED you are wanting to adopt now!! :) As far as a contact in the Michigan area I believe someone will be able to help you out with that. While you are waiting for a reply check out petfinder.com for pets in your area and also click on the "rescue" bone at the top of the DBB!

I paid $200 to adopt my Napoleon as a 6-week-old puppy. That included first shots and neutering and was a DEAL just for that! Of course since then he's had a few health problems and I've spent, or rather am in debt for, a few thousand dollars. He is worth every penny and I say that not to scare you but to inform you that no matter where you get a dog or how much you spend, there will always be additional costs - sometimes minimal, sometimes outrageous! But overall, it's my opinion that rescue is the way to go. You get a vetted dog AND you have an idea of its personality! Can't beat it!

[Heide]

a little to this thread.
I volunter for CCDR and help out any rescue that needs me. I just had 5 fosters. The total vet bill for them was 1,896.00
So since 3 of them were special needs, the adoption fee was 150.00 So that is $450 and then the other 2 are $200. So for those 5 dogs and I still have one left that adoption fee dont even cover the vet bills.
That is $ 850.00 that CCDR will get back. Not even close to what they had to pay for their vetting.
They get dentals, which is also very expensive. When you get a rescue dog, they dont really need to go to the vet for anything for a whole year. At which point they will need their annual shots.
We put them on HW meds, Flea/tick prevenative and we do that out of our own money. You could never go wrong with a rescue dog. WE bring them into our homes and show them love, comfort and most of all compassion. ALot of rescue dogs are backyard breeder surrenders and dont know much about humans. We start to teach them that humans are a good thing. That we have lots of love and laps to give. Then we get very attacthed to the dog, only to have to let it go, once we find a loving home we feel will be a good match. But that opens us up for the next one that needs us. There is more dogs out there than foster homes. Its a sad situation. People just keep breeding and then giving up the pups and parents as they had no clue how hard and expensive it was to raise a litter. Its a sad sad world we live in, with all these irresponsible people. That is why breeding should always be done by the experts. They truly breed to better the breed. I hope this helps you a bit also.

[a_abutin]

When you plunk down that adoption fee, you're not just getting a companion for life, you're also getting an experienced support group who will be there for you and answer any questions you might have, encourage you, and cheer you on. Sometimes, the less reputable breeders just don't provide that to you.

Good luck on adopting...there are a lot of deserving pups out there.