Newspaper Classified Ads :(

[~Jen~]

I was thumbing through yesterdays newspaper about 7:30pm last night and saw ads for dachshunds one ad read that they had 2 blk/tan dapples, 2 red dapples and 1 white dapple ... well i knew by the composition of the litter that is was a double dapple rather than a piebald. Out of complete curiousity i called the # wanting to know more about this white puppy... i posed as a buyer (ekkk ok im guilty of a small white lie) a lady with heavy southern accent (heavier than mine ... ask Krista i twang myself...lol) answers the phone i asked her about the little white female she said she was sorry but it was killed by one of her cocker spanials. *GRRRRRR* well i wanted to hang up but something made me want to find out more about this lady. We continuied to talk she told me that she raises all kinds of mutts at her place she lives on a 25acre farm and raises lots of mixed breeds mostly but she decieded to breed her 2 dachshunds togather... she said she was selling the white one (that was killed) for $500 because it was rare even though it was deaf and had 1 reduced pink eye... she said it would still make someone a good breeder dog.... by this point i was chewing glass<IMG SRC="http://dachsie.org/ubb/cwmsmilies/cwm23.gif" border=0> She asked me if i wasa stud'n any of my males out... i told her NO absolutly not she said she was looking for a longhair red male stud because she had run over her dog in the driveway .... grrrrr. By this time i had to hang up i was so p.o'd that i couldnt talk anymore i said thanks told her i would call tomorrow ... which is today i didnt tell her WHO i was gonna call... the truth is im not calling her back im calling animal control as soon as they open and give them her #. Grrrrrrrrr this im a old dumb hick routine (scuse the attitude) that ppl use around here is getting old.. http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/frown.gif Anyways thanks for the vent. Why are ppl so cruel and ignorant?

Jen

PS i found the ad online...
. DACHSHUND, Mini, Reg. Black and tan, red and tan, dapple. $300; White Dapple Female. 1-XXX-XXX-XXXX



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[Meemoo]

You go get em. That is really evil. I'm glad you are going to report this woman---I don't understand people at all. I live in the New York city area in an apt. building with many other buildings nearby. We take our dog out on 4 walks a day, and everyday at least once there is a dog not on a leash, never mind them picking up after them. Either the leash is in the ownner's hand (now what good is that, although the owner should be leashed) or no leash at all. Of course my dog goes absolutely bonkers wanting to play and the people who see this dog getting upset just stay there, don't control the dog and don't try to lessen the situation. I have told each and everyone one that the dog should be on a leash, not only because it is the law but because they don't know how their dog is going to respond to another dog, their dog could get killed by a car, or attack another dog. Either I get totally ignored, or the people call me CRAZY and say, my dog isn't doing anything, it's your dog that is the trouble. Oh..how i'd love the kill them. If I could only get the names of these people I would report them. I'm sure their dogs aren't even licensed. Just another vent if i may.

Thanks!!

[~Jen~]

Well i called animal control ... they were SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO snotty!! They said they cant tell this woman how to raise her dogs... OMG...grrrrr!! So i suppose its ok to "Free Breed" as the lady called it and have the dogs killiing each other... shes got something like 30dogs and NO permit or anything. Now i know why NC has such bad luck when it comes to animals ... because they are too lazy to get off their duffs and do something. Thats what happened to Duchess.... we need better laws! http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/frown.gif

Jen

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[Meemoo]

Maybe you got an idiot who answered the phone. Maybe you could ask to speak to the supervisor or someone who is a little more helpful and in charge. Doesn't seem logical that they wouldn't help to try and intervene.

[Roxane]

Hi Jen:
Just one more black eye for our state. If the woman is operating as any kind of puppy mill she has to be licensed by USDA. (Not that that means a great deal, most of the time.)
Animal cruelty is now a felony in NC, although the penalties are not much more severe than the old Class 1 or Class C misdemeanor. Please email Nancy Rich at:
jfa_nc@juno.com
Tell her the story. Justice for Animals is a very, very strong organization responsible for doing a great deal of good in situations much like the one you have described.
Glad you had the gumption to call. At least now she is identified as whatever she is. I am being kind!
If you can get a location, I might be able to find someone who will go undercover as a potential buyer, just to scope out the place.
Yuck on these people!http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/angryfire.gif
Hugs to you,
Roxane

[Penny's Aunt]

Excuse me, but aren't the TAXPAYERS the financial backers of Animal Control? Does your city or county have meetings where the TAXPAYERS can speak up & ask questions?

If so, I would carefully phrase a few questions, write them down, & take the notes with me to the next meeting. For instance:

Since 50 million dogs & cats are destroyed every year in America, what is this (city/county) do to prevent the excessive costs involved?

You KNOW they are going to come up with some kind of nonsensical rhetoric, so just ask them whey they allow this woman to operate, & then allow their snotty representative to tell the TAXPAYER that it's none of her business? Your taxes are paying for the Animal Control, your taxes are paying these people's wages, & your taxes are paying to correct the damage done by idiots like the woman running the ad.

And you might ask the same questions of the the local newspaper, telling them you are fed up with how your taxes are spent.

If the local newspaper has their own agenda, contact the nearest large newspaper in the next city & talk to one of their reporters.

[wireweiners]

If she isn't selling pups across the state line or to brokers. she doesn't have to be licensed by USDA. You can sell all the pups you want to out of your back yard without a license.

In order for animal control to become involved, there must be evidence of cruelty. Simply allowing random breeding is not cruelty in the legal sense. If you could pose as a puppy buyer and visit her premises and observe the animals being kept in unsanitary conditions, not being fed, poor health, etc. then you would have something to report that animal control could act upon.

If she is selling AKC registered pups but not keeping her dogs separated, you could try reporting her to AKC. Don't know if they would do anything but its worth a shot.

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[~Jen~]

Thats exactly what the girl on the phone said in a very rude and snotty tone though
http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/frown.gif I thought i replied to this again but i cant find my post..>LOL I must be going insane....if you see a stray post on another thread ... i could be my reply to this. My son was running his lil mouth a mile a minute as i typed i dont know what happened to it its MIA...lol Thanks for all the advice im gonna think of some questions to bring up and the town meeting next mo. i normally dont go but this time i think i might http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/smile.gif I do believe that shes letting all the dogs run togather so her records probably arent accurate... she has doxiepoo's, Cockapoos, and serv. other mutt to mutt breedings lab/chow x's beagle/poodle sort of thing. <IMG SRC="http://dachsie.org/ubb/cwmsmilies/cwm23.gif" border=0> Im gonna try to call her again later and tell her i want to come see the pups and get her address ... if i am successful Roxane i will email it to you ... i appreicate your help i would go out myself but hubbys on 2nd shift and Lil Jefferys got some bug http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/frown.gif Thanks again

Jen

[isobelsmom]

Jen,

A word of advice . . . you sound like your emotions may flit across your face so everyone can read them. If you go to see this woman and show her that you're disgusted and/or angry it may defeat the purpose of what you're trying to do. I think you should send someone who can remain impassive. That way you get more info from both her and her property. Maybe taking Roxane up on her offer is a good idea. Don't let this woman know it's you. People can be rotten when they feel threatened. Be careful.

I myself cannot do this type of stuff (although I have tried) as I end up getting sooooo angry I can't control my mouth. Some people really have no clue that what they are doing is wrong . . .she needs to be shown the error of her ways where it hurts the most---the wallet.

Bless your heart for getting involved--but try and remain cool and collected-even if you go to the town meeting. Verbalizing that these people are worse than water buffalo dung (which is what I would say!) doesn't get you far. I tend to ream people new ones then regret what I've done. I really think you should consider sending someone to this woman's house who can be rather cool and unemotional. JMHO.

Keep us posted.

mary

[~Jen~]

Well i called the lady (Sherri it has a name) She gave me the low down on her place (what a fool) she has *70* count with me *70* dogs... Rat Terriers, GSD's, mini.Poodles, Cockers, Collies, Dachshunds, Maltese, Shih tzu's, Standard Poodles and lots of mixed breeds. (Scoff) OMG! I sent Roxane a email with my # in it. Im hoping maybe we can send someone out there to have a look ... she sells mostly at the state fair http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/frown.gif She says if these pups arent sold they will go to the fair too as this is her last day of the ad in the paper. ARG! Why are ppl like this??? Some prices she gave me are Rat Terriers UKCI registered $150-$200, Poodles (Rare Ice White... whatever that is) $200-$250 UKCI Reg. 1 Silver female Teacup poodles $400 UKCI and dachsies $300 UKCI http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/frown.gif
This is the worst thing i have seen (well heard) in a long while!!

Jen<IMG SRC="http://dachsie.org/ubb/cwmsmilies/cwm10.gif" border=0>

[dutchman]

Jen,

Another site you might want to check out to see if they can help is http://www.caps-web.org/ This is the Companion Animal Protection Society. They played a major role in helping Dateline do their report on Puppy Mill that aired this past spring. They have a contact e-mail address listed at their site.

Tom

[Wienergal]

Jen, you've gotten so much good advice about other resources--I just want to say I'm thankful for you and your "doggy police" efforts! You've got the righteous fire, and I stand and applaud you.

[~Jen~]

Morning All

I talked to Roxane lastnight on da phone she gave me some really good advice im gonna write Nancy Rich that she mentioned below im also gonna call the courthouse and find out what county this lil place called Farmer NC is in. Hrmmmm how fitting the Dog Farmer lives in Farmer... Ugh! http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/frown.gif Once i find out the name of the country i will try to find out the # for animal control there. Its surprising how much info this lady gave out on the phone. Im also gonna call the akc since she says she lets them all run togather. She doesnt use them to reg. her litters but says her adult purebreds are reg. with them ... so i will give it a shot. Its amazing the things you find out when you read the paper. I vow to never open the classified ads again... they always end up making me mad! http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/frown.gif Thanks for all your great ideas http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

Jen

[Jennifer]

Jen,

Glad you have some idea on where to go. I've never heard of Farmer. I did a search on the web and didn't come up with anything in NC. Closest was Farmville which is near Goldsboro.

The state fair was over last weekend, so she won't be able to sell any pups there. I hope she didn't mean the flea market at the state fairgrounds in Raleigh because that starts back up soon (I think next weekend). If she does mean the flea market in Raleigh and you want me to go visit her booth and spy on her, let me know. Good excuse to go to the flea market.

Also, let us know if you need help with a letter writing campaign.

Jennifer

[~Jen~]

That would be great Jennifer... im gonna bug hubby to make a trip up there this weekend too ...perhaps ill call the lady and find out what booth she will be at so i can have a look at the puppies ill just continue to tell her i want to buy 1. Im sure she will tell me exactly where she will be located. The only problem is son has a soccer game in the morning at 10:00am so wouldnt be able to get to Raleigh til at the earliest 12pm Maybe you could check her out early and we can meet or something around noon if i can sucessfully persuade him to go. <IMG SRC="http://dachsie.org/ubb/cwmsmilies/cwm1.gif" border=0>

Lemme know what you think?

Jen

[Jennifer]

Jen - I just sent you an email regarding the details.

Jen

[~Jen~]

I tried the courthouse for information on what country Farmer NC is in but i couldnt find anyone that knew anything about finding this type of info out. Anyone got any suggestions she told me she was off 49S. outside Charlotte. Hmmmm im still looking ... im checking yahoo travel (hehe like anyone would want to travel to a place called Farmer) Maybe the woman is even more illerate than i orig. thought maybe she actually lives in Farmington... i know where that is its near Bombay NC hmmmm i bet she does. I know another Miller in Farmington i went to visit her kennel was the 1st true puppymill i have ever seen <IMG SRC="http://dachsie.org/ubb/cwmsmilies/cwm25.gif" border=0> I wonder if these 2 are related she keeps talking about her mother who raises Poodles this woman raises poodles too... Hrmmmmm!! The wheels are beginning to turn yall watch out!! When i start thinking you never know what will happen ...LOL http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

Jen

[Mark]

Hi Jen & Jennifer,

I see a Farmer, NC near the junction of 6 & 49 using the map maker at http://www.switchboard.com . . . I hope that's what you're looking for . . . there must be a way to figure out what county that is . . . maybe information has a listing for a Chamber of Commerce or someone to call for the county? A Post Office? Police? Town/City Hall?

Anyway, I hope this helps . . . I hope you find a way to fry 'em all!

Mark

[Jennifer]

Thanks Mark!! Bingo!!

Looks like it located due south of Greensboro parallel to Salsbury. So it probably is the right town since it's close to where you are, Jen.

So, based on the map I was able to figure out the correct area code and I called directory assistance. There is no post office, no police station, no courthouse. How is that for a small town. There is a school listed and the guy gave me the number. And I will call them tommorrow. However, directory assistance said that it looked like Farmer was located in either Stokes county or Randolf county. It's after 5 here, so everything is going to be closed. I'll start on this witch hunt tommorrow.

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[Roxane]

Hi Jen and Jennifer:
I believe it is in Randolph County.
Good luck,
Roxane

[~Jen~]

Haha i was just comming in to tell you guys i thought that it was in randolph co. or possibly stokes...LOL you are faster than me!! I talked to the akc this afternoon basically they dont care unless a inspector goes out there and finds a prob. they said that they send inspectors out to places only if they register LOTS of litters a year around 20 or so. Which she doesnt do because she doesnt bother to reg. them with the akc she uses the ukci on the pups but her adults are akc reg. so thats how shes getting out of that one. Plus the ukci doesnt require DNA testing so she saves the $40 for that too... it doesnt matter to them who the daddy to the litter is they trust what you tell them no dna needed. *ugh* so no good news from akc http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/frown.gif Thanks for all the digging you guys are doing http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

Jen

[Oscar's Mom]

This kind of thing upsets me so much!
Jen, Even if nothing is done about it, atleast you know you made the effort to make a difference. I've seen ads for Dashounds, can you belive it. If they cant even spell it what do they even know about the breed!

[~Jen~]

Well its a done deal a family friend and i will be going to the raleigh flea market this weekend to check out these pups. I will have to do a lil undercover 007 work but i am going to try to get her lastname and perhaps arange for a visit to her place. Seems easy enough but we shall see!! Wish me luck i am going to call her tonight and try to find out which booth shes gonna be at <IMG SRC="http://dachsie.org/ubb/cwmsmilies/cwm36.gif" border=0> Jennifer I will email you later today with details of when shes gonna be there etc. if i can get it out of her!

Jen

[Jennifer]

Bad news, Jen. (I tried to email you, but it got returned). I just called the Flea Market Office and they are closed until November 4th (next weekend). They close for the month of October because of the fair.

[~Jen~]

Hmmmmmm thats ok ... then she will be at the fair thats what she said at 1st but i thought she must have ment the flea mkt. when u said it.... so to the FAIR i go http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

Jen

[Jennifer]

Actually, the fair has already closed (last weekend was the closing ceremony(and they don't allow dogs there), but the fleamarket doesn't open until next weekend. So, I'm not sure where she is going to be this weekend. Maybe she doesn't know that the flea market isn't open. Hope I haven't confused you too much...

[~Jen~]

Hmmmmm this could pose a problem ... but its not like shes going anywhere shes got all those dogs and making pups all the time. We could probably nab her on any given weekend at the flea mkt. I will still call her tonight and see where shes gonna be this weekend and next weekend... got a friend REALLY intrested in Rat Terriers ya know!!

Thanks for the info.
Jen

[wireweiners]

Found it interesting that her dogs are UKCI registered. Now that AKC is requiring dna testing on males that are used frequently as studs and is being more strict on the record keeping requirements, more "puppy mill" registries are being formed. When I peruse the pet ads in the local paper and "Thrifty Nickel" there are more and more "off brand" registries.<IMG SRC="http://dachsie.org/ubb/cwmsmilies/cwm10.gif" border=0>

[~Jen~]

Yes she switched to UKCI because she didnt want to pay the $40 for dna or have akc come inspect her and be in her buisness (in her words) I had never heard of the UCKI until i got on the computer after having a big fuss with a mega byb and looked up their site. Under the dual reg. link on thier page they say that BROKERS will pay full price for ukci reg. puppys ... well that lets you know what kind of registry that is... just plain boogus http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/frown.gif

Jen

[~Jen~]

We are planning a trip to this lady's house this Sunday morning. Ill let yall know how it turns out. I just hope i dont blow my own cover...lol http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

Agent 007 er ummm 00k9 i mean
Jen

[Frzframe]

Mitzi is only reg. under Universal Kennel Club International. Her parents are AKC too but since there was only two pup the man didn't think the expenses was worth it. It would have cost him $80 to just reg those two. I don't mind that she isn't AKC and I know UKC has been around for quite a while and are mainly known for rat terriers which was est. in 1938. I really can't blame anyone for using them over AKC I think what they charge and require to reg. pups is out getting out of line. I think ACK is getting just for show dogs and not for the average joe. But it is true all Kennel Clubs need to establish some kind of standards or something. They need to have representatives check out kennels to make sure they are practicing good breeding standards. Just my thoughts on the subject.
~Shonda

[Oscar's Mom]

Good Luck on Sunday 00k9!!

[~Jen~]

We are leaving to go to the "House" now... wish us luck. Ill come back with full report!!

Agent 00k9 ... over and out!!

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[Roxane]

Jen, oh Jen, where are you? Whot hoppened?http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/dog.gif
Roxane, Greta & Baylea

[~Jen~]

Ok heres the scoup... *grrrrr*

The place sux... we are calling humane soc. tomorrow. Dogs running loose on the road up to the house. Dogs EVERYWHERE some in cages most not. Just very icky place wish i would have never went... i was cool as a cucumber though. With my new name Lynn (my middle name) She had a litter of Rat terrier pups they were in a Pen outside ... no cover just a old barrel for a doghouse http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/frown.gif The dogs were all running everywhere i mean jumping all over us barking... some were growling and she said "they were just good guard dogs" Ugh!! I could go on about this place all day but im tried and frusterated. There is def. inhumane conditions there no shelter lack of fresh water etc. Animal ctrl will be called tomorrow. I also saw some blood in some of the stools that were in the pens with the pups... parvo possibly but worms most def. i had to go to my friends house shower changed cloths and soak my shoes in bleach before i came back here. This lady is your typical farm breeder with a livestock mentality (views dogs like chickens or pigs)... more dogs = more money. There was NO Love in her eyes or voice just cash ... how much can i get ... if ya know what i mean. I almost brought the lil choc rat terrier she had there because it was so tiny i was scared it too would get ate by one of her MEAN cockers (those cockers were vicious) Right now im gonna go hug all my doggies ... im so glad they arent in a place like that.

*sigh*

Signing out will fill yall in more tomorrow!!

OOdisguestedk9
Jen


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[Meeka]

Okay I don't want to start anything here. I'm sure you didn't really mean to hurt anyones feelings but what do you mean by "typical country person with a livestock mentality"? I happen to be a "country person" I've always lived in the country. I'm an animal lover and do not understand your comment. I'm sure there are "city people" who run puppy mills. Backyard breeders don't just live in the country. Again I don't want to start a word war, just felt I should stand up for "country people" everywhere.

That aside I think what you are doing is wonderful and you should be very proud of yourself for caring and doing something to try and right and very wrong thing.


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Meeka
Kojak:"Tweenie" B/T dapple-10yr.young

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[Mark]

Hi,

If I can interject here, I think I know what Jen meant.

She meant that this woman viewed her "dog farm" the same way as a "country" person who breeds or grows for profit. This person has taken that personna and "exagerated it" to apply to dogs as though they were cattle (or sheep, pigs . . . or even farmers growing a crop).

When one is upset . . . it's easy to choose words hastily! http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/biggrin.gif Having done so myself (way too many times) . . . it's maybe easier for me to spot than it used to be.

Anyway . . . that's what I think,

Mark

[~Jen~]

You are correct... i didnt mean anything personal by it... im just very tired and had a long day ... i live on 5 acres in a trailer in NC... i just ment livestock as in dogs are like chicken's mentality. Sorry if i offended. http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/frown.gif I honestly didnt mean it. Yeeeeeesh i must really need to go to bed.
Foot in mouth!
Jen

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[Meeka]

I added an edit to my orginal post before I read the posts from you Jen and Mark. Please go back and read the edit. I understand and feel pretty foolish myself for being so touchy. sorry.

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Meeka
Kojak:"Tweenie" B/T dapple-10yr.young

[~Jen~]

There is fixed my post thanks for bringing that to my attention. I suppose i need to read more carefully what i type. Thanks hope i explained myself a little better now http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

Jen

[Roxane]

The most important thing is that you didn't put yourself in harm's way. You were right on target, Jen. I suspect your worst suspicions were confirmed.
Now the hard work begins, attempting to get the powers that be to respond to this disgrace. Were you able to get any photos? I remember we discussed that possibility on the phone.
One of the things you might be thinking about is getting the Rescues for JRT's and Cockers informed that there may be dogs who will need fostering. If you need help (when it comes to that) let me know and I will put it out on CPR and CPBR, if you like.
Jen, you make us all proud, this is not an easy job for one person to take on.
Roxane

[~Jen~]

I had my hubby's friend Ron and my friend Shelby go with me... we bought 2 of those disposible camera's but didnt use them (i got nervous and chickened out). There were no jrt's but there were TONs of mixed breeds GSD crosses and lots of poo mixes (big surprise she breeds all the poo mixes you can think of) There were only 4 dachshunds they looked pretty good considering where they were at. We will call animal control there and see what they say i have sat here and began compiling a list of all the rescue groups that i saw breeds for out there... i will give the list to the animal ctrl officer IF and thats IF they take the dogs... which i hope they do esp. after i saw the bloody stools and very little water http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/frown.gif So far i have Dalmation rescue of the triad i saw about 5 dals out there, GSD rescue of NC about 8 GSD and about 12 crosses, Poodle rescue about 50 poodles or more and poo crosses too numerious to count all size poodles, Rat terriers 20 or so not including the 5 litters of puppies, they also had beagles, Shih tzu's, Bichon's, maltese, a couple schnauzers and schnauzer mixes, Collies and Collie crosses, Shelties, cockers... ugh... she had more breeds than the akc recognizes probably along with about 100 cats it seemed like (im gonna call NC's Feline Rescue for them.) Lets hope the aco's take the animals ... i have my fingers and toes crossed they do. All total i would venture a guess she has about 150 to 200 dogs all over the place. No documentation of rabies shots etc. she can be fined for that alone so im sure they will do something.

I wish i hadnt went there... now im gonna have nightmares about those animals sleeping out in the cold. Its only gonna be in the 40's tonight... all they have to sleep in is barrels http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/frown.gif

Jen

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[Frzframe]

I know I'm a little late in asking but I've been wondering about the outcome of this little matter. So did any thing happen or did she get all of her dogs to the vet in time?
~Shonda

[Annie's granny]

I'd like to know more, too. Since I joined after this topic was started, I'm just now reading it. I don't think I've ever been more appalled. I'm getting a sickening feeling of realization of just how NAIVE and ignorant I've been to the plight of animals. This is just disgusting. And almost overwhelming to think about when you consider that this is just one place . . . we probably all have something like this going on in our own communities. I'm getting depressed just thinking about it. http://dachsie.org/ubb/smilies/sad.gif

[~Jen~]

Actually no one has contacted me reguarding the situation. They said if she didnt comply by getting their rabies shots etc they would contact me so i could help with the dachshunds. The last time i talked to them she still had time left to get everything done to my understanding. I hope no news is good news!

Jen

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