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Pat
11-27-2007, 10:39 PM
My dogs (Sammy and Otto) had another knock down, drag out fight a week or so ago. By the time I got them to stop they were both bleeding. I was sitting at the computer, and I don't remember now what exactly they were doing. I don't remember if they were just laying around or if they had been playing. Anyway, Sammy (the dad) went under the computer desk. He goes there if he feels the need to get away from Otto because Otto is bugging him to play/wrestle and he doesn't want to, or he sometimes takes a toy back there. I don't think he had anything with him this time, but he was under the desk. For some reason Otto decided to go under the desk too. They were instantly on each other, biting, snarling, growling, etc. Sammy ended up with a couple of punctures on his chest, and Otto had either a scratch or bite under one eye and a bleeding ear. I got them into their respective crates and sat down to make sure I wasn't going to have a heart attack.

This is the second time they've done this. I called my daughter and she came over to look them over to make sure neither was hurt enough to need a trip to the vet. She offered to take one of the dogs home with her for a few days to separate them for a while. I agreed because I'm afraid to have them together. They both seem happy enough being apart, and I think they're both behaving better separated than they were when they were together. They always seemed to feed off of each other, going berserk when we were out walking as soon as they'd see other people and/or other dogs.

I don't think I can bring Sammy back here. I'm to the point where I'm not sure they should be together. My daughter brought him over the other day so I could give him a bath and the two could play together a while. Otto was happy to see his dad, but Sammy really didn't want to have anything to do with Otto. Sammy wouldn't even look at him, looking the other way as if "I don't see you, so you don't exist." I think Sammy needs to be in a home where he's the only dog. My daughter also has two cats, and she lives in an apartment, so I'm not sure it's fair to ask her to keep him indefinitely. But overall he seems to be doing fine.

This brings me to my question. Since being at her apartment, Sammy has scraped his nose, and she said he keeps rubbing his face. She thinks he's lost some hair on his face. Is this a stress thing? Or maybe an allergy? If it gets worse or doesn't get better we'll have to take him to the vet to be checked. She called the vet today and asked about dry skin with the winter weather. They said to add 1-2 tsp of veg oil to his food each week. He'll absorb it through his skin. Will this cause loose stools?

One last comment. A couple of days after the fight, the scratch/bite under Otto's eye became infected. The whole side of his face swelled up. We took him to the vet and he's on a 10-day course of antibiotics. I know Sammy's face problem isn't a result of the fight, or at least didn't look like this after the fight.

Sorry for the length of this post, but I wondered if anyone has any thoughts. I'm feeling pretty disheartened right about now. I feel like I've failed these dogs after agreeing to take them in.

Thanks.

Cocoa and Me
11-27-2007, 11:39 PM
OMG, so sorry about the fight :(

As for the allergy question....

Rubbing the face, biting their feet, biting their back/hind leg areas are all common signs of some sort of allergy. Did you ask your daughter if maybe Sammy had gotten into some other food, or if she remembers feeding him something? I always have to remind my family to only give the treats that I provide b/c Cocoa has allergies. I've heard of dogs being allergic to certain laundry soap, fabric softener, scents in the house (like fabreez or other sprays), etc. I hope his nose gets better!!! :crsfnger:

kpm_tex
11-28-2007, 05:36 AM
It sounds like they will be a lot better off in separate homes.. sorry you had to go through that. I would opt for fish oil over vegetable oil for skin issues. It sounds like an allergy to me. I would start by seeing if she is feeding him a different food than you were... if not then it *could* be caused by stress...but more likely there is something environmental causing it.

Irminsul
11-28-2007, 09:35 AM
First off, sorry about the fight. Are the boys neutered? Sometimes two males just don't get along. Sammy might not mind a girl friend though.

As for the allergies, my friends Boxer had a very bad reaction to some carpet cleaner she had used. Have your daughter give him some Benadryl to see if that helps.

ems736336
11-28-2007, 09:38 AM
Is there carpet in her apartment? They might have cleaned it with something really strong that he is having a reaction to. Perhaps she could put down throw rugs where he spends most of his time on the floor. Is she feeding him the same thing? Maybe he is allergic to cats!!!! Yikes!

catstamm
11-28-2007, 09:45 AM
OMG I can't even imagine how scary that was :sorry:... Are your boys NEUTERED??? Have you worked with a behaviorist at all? Un-neutered males have a tendancy to fight out of frustration...to many hormones.

If he is losing hair and scratching I would get it checked by the vet. I would also use fish oil over veg oil.

Pat
11-28-2007, 09:54 AM
Good morning all. I was thinking last night while laying in bed. My daughter said she caught Sammy sneaking the cats' food one day. If he snuck it once, chances are he's snuck it more than once. Maybe he's allergic to that??? She did have her carpets cleaned recently too, so I guess it could be that. Hopefully it will settle down so he can be happy.

Irminsul, the dogs are neutered. I adopted them in June and had them neutered maybe in August. It's been at least a couple of months anyway.

A couple of days after my daughter took Sammy home with her I stopped by her apartment after work to see him. Now, Sammy doesn't give kisses. Otto always give enough for both of them, and sometimes Sammy will come up and just press his cold, wet nose to me, which I take to be his version of a kiss! But that day I walked in to her apartment and Sammy just looked at me. He did a double take and then came running over all excited. I picked him up and he gave me a dozen kisses!!! It broke my heart! I sat in the chair to visit and he fell asleep in my lap. When I was ready to leave, each time I'd go to set him down he'd lean into me. I'm hoping this works for her to keep him because I feel bad enough about this situation, so I'll feel totally awful if he has to go back to the humane society.

It sounds like Sammy spends a lot of time on my daughter's bed when she's home (someplace I don't allow at my house! ;)). When she's away he is in his kennel. I did do the beginner class for adult dogs at PetSmart with Sammy. The trainer we worked with says he's a typical dachshund...very stubborn! :) He was good in the class, and I felt like it was worth the money and time to go.

Suzanne R
11-28-2007, 09:55 AM
Good suggestions given - so sorry about the ugly fight! Hope everything gets resolved satisfactorily. :rayz::rayz::rayz: all the way around! :hug2::hug2:

catstamm
11-28-2007, 01:51 PM
I would find someone that can come to your home to evaluate him and observe him with the other doxie.
Classroom type training classes help with commands, obedience, etc... which are great, BUT...
For problems with agression you need to look into a behaviorist... maybe the HS can help you out with that.
Hang in there....:goodluck:
Sometimes the dog which appears to be the agressor is actually just picking up ques from the other dog, and acting on them. That is why evaluation is very important...
Nothing is more upsetting than a dog fight.....:pray: this can come to a great resolution

LUVMYGUNNER
12-01-2007, 08:25 PM
Here are rays :rayz::rayz::rayz: for you and Sammy. I would not give him back to the human society-if you have to give him up then please put him into a rescue.
Also have your daughter put the cat food up from the floor, its not good for him to eat the cat food.
Hope you can work something out.:pray:

Pat
12-01-2007, 11:29 PM
My daughter says she puts the food out for the cats when she's ready to take Sammy out for a walk. That way they get to eat in peace and there's no food left when Sammy comes back in. Seems to be working fine.