Showing Piebalds

[Weeweeniekennel]

I was curious so I emailed AKC and asked about showing Pies here's what they said
Hello Bonnie,

There is not a breed disqualification in the Dachshund standard based on color. The Dachshund addresses the issue of white in such a way as to allow judge's to evaluate acceptable color based on their interruptation of the standard. It is possible to show piebald dachshunds.
Thank you for contacting the American Kennel Club.
Betty Nightengale
AKC Special Services

So I also asked a DCA region rep
Piebalds may be shown. No prohibition but some judges do not know how to properly incorporated the color in their evaluation.

So looks like I will work with Ipod and see what I can do with him :pray:

[kpm_tex]

This is my second reply since the DBB server choose to eat the last one :banghead:

As you probably know the Standard voted on by DCA membership and accepted in 3/2007 did not include the Piebald pattern... even though it was voted on, it did not receive the necessary votes... Therefore, the only white acceptable is a small amount on the chest. DCA, as is the norm when there is a standard revision , sent the following clarification to hound judges.
http://www.dachshund-dca.org/Me1dia/08judgesnoticecolorsheet.pdf
I have heard of dogs being dismissed from the ring for too much white, and I've also heard of new pie champions.. though not as many as before the revision.
Regardless of whether you agree with it or not.. the standard is what it is and will be until such time as it's time to review again. So, till then it will be up to the judges interpretation on any given day.

[Weeweeniekennel]

like every otherday showing you are subject to someone elses thinking :wonky: Your link didn't work went to an erroe page

[kpm_tex]

Let's see if this works.. did on preview

http://www.dachshund-dca.org/Media/08judgesnoticecolorsheet.pdf

[catstamm]

Very interesting...thanks for posting.
I must say though I have never seen Isabella or Blues shown... Do they show often in dachshund specific shows? Personally I'd rather they not allow the dilutes...maybe people would stop color breeding and we'd have less bald dachsunds. ;)

[Weeweeniekennel]

I haven't seen any shown here in the New England area Mostly red and black &tan some chocolate

[kpm_tex]

I can't recall ever seeing a dilute in the show ring. Most unusual color / pattern I have seen is a cream brindle.
With the costs associated with showing breeders breed what wins... and those are the basic colors and patterns... Reds, Black & tans, wild boar, etc.

[Weeweeniekennel]

Yes it's hard enough to get a good solid color to standard than to get the colors right When most judges don't know enough about the colors either. I have been a steward and watched them go and get their judges book and check out colors They just don't know.

[Jacqueline]

Mindy, my black and tan is a very pretty dog. Taffy, my chocolate, is a true charmer. But if you want a really beautiful dog, it has to be Daisy.....that not recognized, sorry, but you don't meet the standards, Piebald.

So what can I say........? Jealousy.....don't hate her cuz she's beautiful :flowerysmile:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d10/JacquelineBurns/DSC07495.jpg

[kpm_tex]

We are NOT and will not be debating the merits of Piebalds here.. just discussing how judges are viewing them in the conformation ring.

You do not show, you do not breed, you only get your pups from rescue.. this is really a non issue for you.

[Jacqueline]

We are NOT and will not be debating the merits of Piebalds here.. just discussing how judges are viewing them in the conformation ring.

You do not show, you do not breed, you only get your pups from rescue.. this is really a non issue for you.

True, I do not show, and my dogs are from rescue. EXCUSE ME!!!! Some of us need a sense of humor. Now, if that offends everyone, then go ahead and kick me off the board. Adios.

[Frzframe]

We are NOT and will not be debating the merits of Piebalds here.. just discussing how judges are viewing them in the conformation ring.

You do not show, you do not breed, you only get your pups from rescue.. this is really a non issue for you.

Well that was rude. It's not like she was putting down anyones choice of color/pattern for goodness sake she was judging HER own dogs. I came into this thread because I own a pie and am interested in the subject but I guess I should skip these topics since I do not show, do not breed and have only gotten my last few pups from rescue.

[kpm_tex]

My point was that this thread was not to discuss the merits for or against piebalds which is a Hot, hot topic in the dachshund community.. with no end in sight. The original poster asked about how judges are looking at Pies based on the standard revisions.

All our dogs are lovely to us, regardless of their pattern or color, but that has no bearing on how they would be viewed against a standard when showing.

My apologies if that offended anyone

[Jacqueline]

If it were possible to show a spayed dog, Daisy is the one I would show. She has grace, dignity, and self confidence. She may not be what they consider the perfect standard in color or pattern, but she is beautiful, and her whole character expresses what dachshunds should be.

I've had quite a few people ask if I show Taffy, who they consider to be a perfect little speciman. Love her as I do, she is the last of my crew I would ever take into a ring. She stands beautiful, but even as smart as she is, can become a total airhead in a matter of seconds.

As with people, we shouldn't always judge by looks. I would like to see a Doxie take Best of Show, etc, at the big shows this year.....but it's hard to get some people to think for themselves. I understand there need to be standards, but there also needs to be progress.

Like allowing spayed/neutered animals in the ring. And yes, I do understand the reasoning behind that.