Wild Boar Smooths

[Timber]

Can someone post a picture of a wild boar smooth? Timber's dam is registered as a wild boar, but she just looks like a red to me.

[dutchman]

Hi Tiff, I can't help you with a picture but I know Aggie my mill mohher LH was described as a wild boar but the more I read about coats the more it seemed that the wild boar coloring is only offically recognized as a wire color. It will be interesting to see what others who are more knowledgable on coat paterns have to say.

Tom and the Boys (Frank, Tanner and Dexter)

[onebigmickeyfan]

But isn't one of Heide's rescues a wild boar smooth.http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Aug/20038155758018730262691.jpg
Natasha on right.

[dutchman]

Here is a link to one site that lost many of the colors and has photos. http://www.aruff.com/Doxcolors.html According to this page the wild boar can appear in smooths and wires. Another site says wires or longs with wire in their background. Seems to be a lot of differing ideas on this color. Since I don't show and have no intention of breeding it's not a big deal to me I just give all the love I can to my current companions:)

Tom and the boys (Frank, Tanner and Dexter)

[Timber]

Tom~ Thanks for the link! From the pics they show, I don't think Timber's dam (Rosie) was a wild boar. They look almost b&t, and Rosie was definately red. Maybe she had more black when she was a puppy?

[Heide]

thanks for posting the picture of Natasha. Yes she is called a wild boar smooth.
Absolutley gorgeous girl.

[Kim H.]

My Angel was sold as "wild boar"; however, she is a longhair and it was my understanding that this color is limited to wires and smooths. I don't think she is a sable. But she does fit the descriptions I have read of wild boar in that her hairs are part red and part black (with some lighter color mixed in).
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Aug/20038283247657098115840.jpg

She was very dark as a puppy...
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Aug/20038288089040331731420.jpg

Who knows... she's probably just plain red with some black on her!:)

[dutchman]

Kim Angel's sides look a lot like my Aggie did. When I got Aggie from Hearts United they described her as a wildd boar. She too was a LH. Ir seems there are many differnt opions as to what may or may not be called wild boar.

Tom and the boys (Frank, Tanner and Dexter)

[Kim H.]

Her ear tips, chin/chest, and tail are very black. I guess I'll have to wait until she's a little older to see what color she ends up!! The same with her sister (red double dapple/piebald??) who started out with a lot of white spots which are inexplicably disappearing...:huh: :huh:

[doxunzX3]

Thanks Tom for posting this one again it's nice to be able to see what exactly is meant by the different terms on color's.
Anyway, I started out with a red longhaired girl. She did have black overlay on her ears.
Her puppies were so dark when they were born I thought at first they were actually black. But when you put them in the sunlight you could see the chestnut red. The breeder did say they should be registered as reds or red/blacks.
They looked liked Angel in her photos, it was interesting how much their coats changed just in puppyhood. It was very confuseing I have to admidt. They looked just like the photo for the sable's (in the web site, right below the wild boar) and when they got older they did get darker and more black overlay. It was interesting how they changed over the years. I love the rich color. :flower:

[loogie]

I was just on c2cdr.org and noticed that "Bruno" looks an awful lot like a "wild boar" pattern. What do you think?

Shanie

[Tammara]

Boy, this goes right along with my sable pics request. Ruben kinda looks like Angel, but A. his face mask is pronounced B. he was even darker at birth C. his sides are still darker.

I read SOMEWHERE on a website that one of these patterns has the mask I keep mentioning, or maybe it was in one of my books??? Now I can't find that either.

Here's hoping we'll eventually figure out what these dogs are to be called. Fortunately, we love them, no matter what they look like!

By the way, Angel is a doll!!:angel:

[Mack]

It's really hard to tell about Bruno on the C2C web site without doing a close-up examination. Could be sable/wild boar though. Whatever, he is most handsome.

[Timber]

It's too bad I don't have a better picture of Rosie. But in the one I have, I swear she looks a lot lighter than Natasha.

[Cindi]

Okay - smooths and wires can be wild boars. LONGS CAN NOT!
The puppy longs pictured are reds, their color will change DRASTICALLY as they age so you should never register them when they are very young. Many red puppies, in all 3 varieties, will have the dark black stripe down their back and include their tail as puppies and will have black ears (sometimes there will be so much black on them they will appear to have tan points) but as adults may clear out to clear solid reds ........... or ......... they can darken to reds with black overlays (in longs and smooths frequently mislabled as sables and in wires frequently miscalled red boars). They are genetic reds.
A longhair sable is the one with *mask*, nearly a full red face with the black widow's peak most often. Very unusual coloring.
The wild boar coloring can range from looking darn near like a black and tan with only a tinge of red on the ears (usually wild boars will have reddish ears and red undercoat throughout) to very red sides, red ears with a mild boaring (intermixed black/red - the hairs are actually both colors) and black hairs intermingled and possibly a darker back stripe/tail and tan points. It is a very hard color to describe and the range of colors it can encompass is also hard to describe. There are also *wild boars* in wires that are mainly gray/brown and black with no red and those seem to happen mainly in the standards for some reason.

So you see, even the *plain* colors can be fun <G>

Cindi

[Heidismom]

You have cleared up some confusion for me. I have had a black and tan boy - Fritz 1971-1979, and next, three red girls (Heidi-Angel has gone to the Bridge, too) - all of whom had the black markings down the backbone, black tails, and ears! Then I added my chocolate/tan longhair, and last one is my black/tan dapple (mistakenly registered as a blue/tan dapple). I have always wondered how to correctly describe the coats of my red girls! Since Heidi-Angel was marked like that, I gladly adopted Gretl, and then Siglen, because they had the same markings. Julia B. :cool:

[Kim H.]

As I mentioned, I figured my longhair might just be red. I had read that "red" encompasses quite a lot of different shadings and dark overlays.

I sent the registration in already, since I didn't want to forget about it and pay extra later. I will get the color amended with AKC.

It is unfortunate that we have to be experts on the genetics of dachshund color just to get our dogs registered correctly!!

[Cindi]

about the memory thing!!!!!! I still haven't registered my 5 1/2 month old boy :) but you do have 1 year from the date of the paper issuance, not 1 year from the date of birth.
And changing color is not a problem to AKC; at this point that is still something they will do.

Yes, red is one of those genetic colors that ranges from pale strawberry blonde with absolutely no black to an Irish Setter red to a dog that could appear to many to be to a black and tan from a distance (not the true sables) because the overlay is so heavy. And you will find that many reds with an overlay will be different colors during the year depending on what stage of shedding or growth they will be in - the black can shed out and you will only see the red underneath at times :)

This happens in wires, too, although there are very few Irish Setter depth of color reds. The strawberry blonde ones people have gone to calling wheatens, which is very descriptive, but they are still reds in my book.

Same is true in smooths but I don't see that many of the pale, pale reds. They frequently have the black in them but not the heavy overlay though as much as the longs. At least I haven't seen them that way.

Cindi

[Timber]

thanks for the info, Cindi!

Ok, here's a picture of Rosie, who was registered as a wild boar. She looks too light to me, tho.

http://www.pookiegotdabooty.com/mbtcorner/gallery/albums/album10/timberrosie.jpg

Sorry I can't make it bigger.

[Cindi]

OK, you are making it rough on an old lady!!!! We ARE talking the adult dog I hope!!!! :circle:
Not too light but clear - If I'm seeing correctly, her entire neck and head appear to be clear red. If so, she is a red. Wild boars will be *boared* throughout their body and head.

Cindi

[Timber]

Ok, thanks. :)
And yes, I was referring to the adult dog in the picture. The little 10 day old pup in the pic would be my Timber. :)